UPDATE on Pennsylvania and Utah Reciprocity

[Gary Slider]

There is a good possibility that Utah and PA will sign a reciprocity agreement. Handgunlaw.us is almost positive that when that happens it will be for Utah Residents only and that PA will not honor the Utah Non-Resident permit. The last 5 agreements PA has signed or updated were for Resident permits only from the states of Virginia, Florida, Arizona, Mississippi and Maine.

The PA AG is stating below on their site at
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184


Pennsylvania has received notification from Utah officials that their law has changed and no longer complies with Pennsylvania law. Utah is now a Category 4 state. Holders of Pennsylvania and Utah permits will no longer be able to have their permits honored in each other's states. Likewise, individuals from other states holding Utah permits will not have their permits honored in Pennsylvania. Pa. permit holders may still apply for a non-resident permit for use in the state of Utah. The reason for this change was a recent determination that Utah's relevant statutory provisions are no longer compatible with Pennsylvania law. Pa. law requires that the statutes be substantially similar in order for the Attorney General to grant reciprocity. Finally, please know that Utah and Pennsylvania are currently negotiating a formal reciprocity agreement (Category 1) that when agreed to would permit residents of Pa. and Utah to have their permits recognized in each other's states.

 

[harrygunner]

Thank you.

 

[Somewhere in NM]

Gary,

Have you heard anything about PA and NM working on an agreement?

 

[Gary Slider]

Sorry, Nothing.

 

[tomrkba]

This is so stupid. Non-residents pass the same lame shooting and written tests as Utah residents.

 

[TRX]

Thanks, Gary! I appreciate the work you're doing to keep everyone informed.

 

[Red Wind]

Thank you, Gary. All your work to keep us informed is appreciated. It's a difficult job you are doing. You do it well. Handgunlaw is a fine resource.

 

[morcey2]

This is so stupid. Non-residents pass the same lame shooting and written tests as Utah residents.

There is no shooting test for a Utah permit.

 

[Doc7]

Exactly....

 

[Doc7]

What the AG has done is make certain that the % of people who visit PA who are unscreened for a criminal background will increase.

It is extremely unlikely that any tourists will visit PA who previously wouldn't because Utah permit holders could carry concealed there. However, it is very likely that many individuals who may have applied for a Utah permit (NJ residents, DE, NY, etc), in order to carry concealed in PA, will now decide against doing so. They may still visit PA but they won't have applied for a Utah permit and thus won't have gone through a background check.

Therefore, the number of people entering PA who have an unknown history of criminal violence will increase by some % greater than 0.

 

[denton]

Utah continues to recognize concealed carry permits from ALL states.

The unspoken problem that causes other states to not recognize Utah permits is that they want control of their own permitting process. For example, people in Nevada would get a Utah permit, bypassing the Nevada system. So Nevada stopped that by no longer recognizing Utah permits.

To rectify this, the new Utah rule is that if you're a non-resident, you must get a permit from your home state before you can get one from Utah. That gives other states control over their own permitting process.

 

[Doc7]

To rectify this, the new Utah rule is that if you're a non-resident, you must get a permit from your home state before you can get one from Utah. That gives other states control over their own permitting process.

That is not true.

That is only true for states that have reciprocity agreements with Utah or recognize Utah permits.

NJ residents do not need an NJ permit in order to obtain a Utah permit.

Non-resident proof of permit. If you reside in a state that recognizes the validity of the Utah CFP or has reciprocity with Utah, you must obtain a CFP or CCW from your home state and submit a copy of it with your application for a Utah permit. For a list of reciprocal states click here. Residency will be determined by your state-issued identification. If your state does not recognize the Utah permit this does not apply.

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFnewapp.html

 

[geekWithA.45]

The unspoken problem that causes other states to not recognize Utah permits is that they want control of their own permitting process.

Ya know, even if, for the sake of argument, we skip over the whole "I don't need no steenking permit, 2A is my carry permit" premise, there is still actually a clause in the Constitution that covers all this.

It's the same reason why driver's and marriage licenses are portable from one state to the next:

Article. IV.

Section. 1.

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Particularly since 2A has been incorporated against the states, all this stuff should be relegated to the dustbin.

Paging Alan Gura....Alan Gura, please pick up the white courtesy phone....

 

[Sam1911]

It's the same reason why driver's and marriage licenses are portable from one state to the next:

By that standard, though, no engineer or surveyor or doctor or anyone else licensed by one state should need to be licensed by any other in order to practice there.

For what that's worth.

 

[tyeo098]

By that standard, though, no engineer or surveyor or doctor or anyone else licensed by one state should need to be licensed by any other in order to practice there.

For what that's worth.

So? Know the laws where you practice.

I almost pumped my own gas once in NJ. Didn't make that mistake again.

 

[denton]

That is only true for states that have reciprocity agreements with Utah or recognize Utah permits.

You are correct.

 

[Red Wind]

Therefore, the number of people entering PA who have an unknown history of criminal violence will increase by some % greater than 0.

Gee Whiz, PA folks gotta be shakin' in their boots due to that increase greater than Zero.

Meanwhile Alaskans ,Arizonans ,Vermonters, with no permit slips at all required, slumber peacefully in their beds.

You gotta do better than this Doctor. A new prescription perhaps..

 

[Doc7]

RW your point about AK, AZ, VT is the same as my point. Those states do NOT ban certain non-residents from carrying. PA is now doing that.

 

[Red Wind]

Our heads are similarly pointed? I feel better now! 2 aspirins and I'll call you in the morning. Just kidding.