Pennsylvania No Longer Honors Utah!!!

[Sam1911]

Utah has become a "permit mill" where non-residents can get a permit by mail after taking a 4 hour course with no qualification and no live fire required.

On the other hand, getting the UT permit was a LOT more work and cost than getting my PA LCTF.

Like, an order of magnitude more of both.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Red Wind:

Yup.... Just pick the closest or most convenient Sheriff who is willing to non-resident licenses. I'm not happy, but at least it's a short ride for me.

They claim that it's to standardize the "credit card" type license (v.s. just a piece of paper), and get photos and prints on file and photos on the card, too. About all they really have to do is put "see OH license" on the thing. Meantime OH could send prints and photos (via their electronic systems) to PA for file purposes.

If your OH license gets farkled (taken, expired, etc.), your PA license should go away, too, at some point, but there may be no mechanism in place to enforce that. If there is, the "automatic" thing I mentioned in the last paragraph ought to be possible.

What makes this so painful, I think, is that the Constitution really doesn't require this, nor does it permit the loopy regulatory structures involved. Proving you're over 18 (i.e., old enough to buy the thing) should be sufficient....

Regards,

 

[BullfrogKen]

On the other hand, getting the UT permit was a LOT more work and cost than getting my PA LCTF.

Like, an order of magnitude more of both.

Word.

I don't ever remember being fingerprinted for my PA LTCF. And we have no training requirement.


IIRC Delaware has a provision that DE residents need a DE-issued carry permit, complete with the newspaper announcement and all. But anyone - including non-residents of Utah - can carry in DE on a UT carry permit. Delaware didn't go as far as complete non-recognition of that permit, the state only said DE residents need a DE permit to lawfully carry.

Am I mistaken on that?

And Kathleen Kane could have gone that route if she had concerns. Still, as has been pointed out, the UT permit process is more thorough than PA's LTCF. And if I didn't have my home state's LTCF I understood UT wanted that first.

 

[Steve in PA]

Philly (illegally) makes their applicants get fingerprinted, no other counties I know of have this requirment. The law states that the application will be uniform throughout the state, however Philly likes to make their own rules.

Philly and Monroe County also (illegally) require that the applicants references must be from the same county.

 

[Doc7]

It's not like PA is accepting ones from states that have live fire quals specifically and disregarding ones that don't. So that is not a valid "excuse" for their behavior. Also, last time I checked none of my other rights required me to pass a test before God granted them to me.

 

[Red Wind]

^So true. Arizona, Alaska,Arkansas, Vermont and Wyoming require no permission slips. It's disgusting the way Pennsylvania ,and other stales are going.

 

[BullfrogKen]

It's disgusting the way Pennsylvania ,and other stales are going.

Excuse me, but don't lump us in with states that have passed more gun restrictions in the past year.

This was the work of one person. One.

The Attorney General is given the exclusive and independent right to make and rescind these recipocity agreements. The AG office was just recently made one filled by vote. It used to be appointed by the Governor.

A newly-elected Democrat AG, who has on several other occasions on vastly different issues, expressed her progressive views. We are seeing the results of a politicized justice department here.

But don't think that this is the will of the people. PA can't get any restrictions on gun rights to pass the legislature, and the gun-grabbers know it.

 

[Red Wind]

A newly-elected Democrat AG, who has on several other occasions on vastly different issues, expressed her progressive views. We are seeing the results of a politicized justice department here.

But don't think that this is the will of the people. PA can't get any restrictions on gun rights to pass the legislature, and the gun-grabbers know it.

Point taken,Ken. I can only fervently hope that you are correct.

 

[mljdeckard]

As a licensed permit mill facilitator, I can assure you, there was much more to NV dropping UT than just the training requirement.

NV has effectively eliminated tourist carry. They honored some out of state permits, because they seriously underestimated how many out of staters would be carrying in the casinos. They came up with reasons to drop pretty much all out of state permits. Some for reasons such as, the other state's permit was valid for a different length of time than NV. (?!) The only out of state permits they still honor are from states with very narrow issuing guidelines for out of staters, like, people who are in between military assignments can get an non-resident permit, and no one else. You can get a NV non-resident permit, but it is quite inconvenient and must be done IN Nevada. They found reasons to drop every single state where an out-of-stater could get a permit.

A year ago I applied for an AZ permit because I had a Vegas trip coming up, and I wanted to carry. While it was in the mail, NV dropped AZ. (And Utah picked up KS.) So, now I have to think of a reason to visit NM in the next four years. Oh well.

 

[BenFoo]

Excuse me, but don't lump us in with states that have passed more gun restrictions in the past year.



This was the work of one person. One.



The Attorney General is given the exclusive and independent right to make and rescind these recipocity agreements. The AG office was just recently made one filled by vote. It used to be appointed by the Governor.



A newly-elected Democrat AG, who has on several other occasions on vastly different issues, expressed her progressive views. We are seeing the results of a politicized justice department here.



But don't think that this is the will of the people. PA can't get any restrictions on gun rights to pass the legislature, and the gun-grabbers know it.

Make? Yes.
Rescind? No.


http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61

(k) Reciprocity.--
(1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states providing for the mutual recognition of a license to carry a firearm issued by the Commonwealth and a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by the other state. To carry out this duty, the Attorney General is authorized to negotiate reciprocity agreements and grant recognition of a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by another state.
(2) The Attorney General shall report to the General Assembly within 180 days of the effective date of this paragraph and annually thereafter concerning the agreements which have been consummated under this subsection.

 

[RustyShackelford]

PA: permit mills....

When I lived in the metro Pittsburgh PA area, I got a valid PA CCW thru Allegeny County. This was 1999. The line was literally out the door & down the street.
I had to provide 02 ID photos, my military records(DD214) & fill out some background forms/fees.
I had to go back & get the permit(small paper with a photo added). It wasn't complex & the entire process took about 3/4 weeks.

I can see the point of anti-gun groups & "gun safety" advocates about "permit mills" but if a law-abiding citizen with no criminal records/mental health disorders meets all the requirements then the license/CCW should be processed.

Bad guys & terrorists are not going to jump thru all the hoops or apply for CCWs.

I spoke to a local PD supervisor in a small agency at work(security detail) & he even said most of the patrol officers/command staff agree that CCW holders & armed citizens are not the problem, felons & gang members/drug dealers are.

 

[rbernie]

I spoke to a local PD supervisor in a small agency at work(security detail) & he even said most of the patrol officers/command staff agree that CCW holders & armed citizens are not the problem, felons & gang members/drug dealers are

And this speaks to the actual effectiveness of the 'carry permit' mentality and process; those disinclined to Be Nice Guys will carry regardless of the presence or absence of a permit.

 

[harrygunner]

After many years, I can no longer legally carry in Pennsylvania. With a permit, without a permit, a permit from a "mill" or from a strict state, the likelihood of me being a threat is unchanged.

Personally, don't see how these changes enhance public safety.

 

[BenFoo]

After many years, I can no longer legally carry in Pennsylvania. With a permit, without a permit, a permit from a "mill" or from a strict state, the likelihood of me being a threat is unchanged.



Personally, don't see how these changes enhance public safety.

They dont. Its whats called "feel good" policy. It makes Libby Q Antigun and Johnny P Mayorpants feel like they're making the world a safer place.

When in reality it changes nothing aside from prevent law-abiding citizens carry firearms to defend themselves.

If only...
Illicit drugs were illegal
Rape was illegal
Going over the speed limit was illegal
Not paying your taxes was illegal
Flying planes into buildings on purpose was illegal
Child porn was illegal
Dog fighting was illegal
Abusing animals was illegal
Beating your wife was illegal
Doing a line of coke off a hookers ass was illegal

.....then people would never do them and the world would be all roses and sunshine.


Making things illegal fixes everything. Dont you see? =]




Impeach AG Kane

 

[dragon813gt]

Impeach AG Kane

This is most likely going to happen because she didn't prosecute members of her own political party. How she got elected to begin w/ is a mystery to me. She is making a mess of things because she is doing what her party masters are telling her to do.