Pet bond-why so many refused to leave NOLA

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Looks like they will need to take this in consideration in the future for evac ops.
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Best Friends Need Shelter, Too

By Karen Dawn
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Page A23

The week after Hurricane Katrina hit, the media covered the thousands of
low-income people trapped for lack of means to get out. Almost two weeks
later, thousands still hadn't left, in many cases because official
policy would not accept the bond between people and their nonhuman
family members. Members of a frustrated rescue team simplified it for a
"Dateline" news crew: They said people were refusing to be evacuated
simply because "they won't leave their pets."

There is a class issue involved here. While Marriott hotels welcomed the
pets of Katrina evacuees as "part of the family," people who had to rely
on the Red Cross for shelter were forced to abandon that part of the
family or attempt to ride out the storm. It cannot be denied that many
poor people are dead as a result of "no pets" policies.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Patricia Penny, who wondered whether
her son Billy had survived. She had begged him to leave, but he was
afraid to abandon his animals. CNN showed the rescue of a family,
including a dog, sitting on a rooftop as a boat pulled up. The boat left
without the dog. Staying with a dog and risking their own lives is not
an option for people who have children to provide for. The parents were
given no choice but to abandon the dog, and to break their children's
hearts. As they pulled away they all watched their trusting, confused
and terrified canine family member alone on the roof.

At Red Cross shelters there are families that have lost their homes and
all of their possessions but are thanking God that they are all safe.
Others are frantic, unable to think of anything besides the slow deaths
of beloved companion animals they were forced to leave on rooftops or at
bus boarding points. One woman, with no other possessions left, offered
her rescuer the wedding ring off her finger to save her dog, to no
avail.

A young boy carried a dog in his arms as he tried to board a bus to the
Houston Astrodome. Dogs were not allowed. The Associated Press story
reported that "a police officer took one from a little boy, who cried
until he vomited. 'Snowball, Snowball,' " he cried." In a similar story,
an old woman, traveling alone except for the poodle in her arms, was
forced to leave him behind to wander the streets. We have read other
stories of elderly people forced to choose between their lifesaving
medications or their life-affirming pets. CNN's Anderson Cooper even
reported on a woman, legally blind, who for 10 days had been told that
she could not take her service dog with her if she was evacuated. She
had stayed put until the CNN cameras arrived and the police relented.

Many large hotel chains, aware of the human-animal bond, now allow
guests of varied species. Sadly, those organizations on which we rely,
not when on vacation but in life-or-death circumstances, are not up with
the times.

The pets pulled from people's arms would not have taken seats meant for
humans. There is no reasonable explanation for abandoning them. They
were the last vestiges of sweetness, in some cases the only living
family, of those who had nothing left. But the police officers were just
following orders -- orders that reflect an official policy inconsistent
with how people feel about their animals.

Red Cross shelters that do not have animal-friendly areas, or do not
coordinate with humane groups to make sure that there are animal
shelters nearby, are out of touch with the needs of a society in which
60 percent of families have pets and many view them as intrinsic members
of the family.

Karen Dawn runs the animal advocacy Web site DawnWatch.com and is a
contributor to "In Defense of Animals: The Second Wave," edited by Peter
Singer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090901824.html
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I saw quite a few live feeds on CNN of CG and military helicopters allowing people to take pets in direct violation of their SOP to leave them behind. In one case you could actually hear the pilot say "Negative, negative" when the woman stranded on her roof wanted to take a small dog. Another crew member overruled that and simply allowed her to take the animal.

After this debacle, though, I wouldn't set foot on a public evac transport pets or no. Once you're in that system they *own* you.
 
I don't think I could bring myself to leave my dog on a roof top, but choosing to stay means that both will likely die.

What they are doing, from an emotional standpoint, is very close to what the Nazis did in making one prisoner choose who would be shot. If he refused to choose, they'd shoot ten randomly, and give him another chance to choose one. I say it's close to that subjectivly, i.e., as far as the person is concerned who is forced to choose between dying with his best friend or leaving him to die alone on a roof top. They need to reevaluate this policy.
 
As much as I like pets it's only a dog. I have an aunt who is fanatical about a lap dog she has, treats him better than me! The dog even has health insurance and a previous dog she easily spent 5-10000 dollars on vet bills for him.

I'm sorry but that is just crazy. Even if I did have the ability to spend so much on a dog, I could not bring myself to do it when I know there is much more good use that money could be put to in the world.

I don't think the future evacuee plans should have to put much effort in pet evacuations. People are more important than animals. I'll prepare to be flamed now.
 
Hawkeye

Your point that it is like the Nazi's asking pick who dies is on the money. I wouldn't leave my best friend no matter if they have 4 legs or 2...
CT
 
I can understand that the people would be upset over leaving their pets. But, if there is truly a lack of room to evac people, I cannot see the sense in allowing pets to take up space on boats and helos.

Fortunately, I don't have that bond with animals, if it were them or both of us, it would be them. To me, animals are not people's equal.
 
Abandonment

No pets /no guns = no evac. My choice. :fire:

My "rescuers" are free to take someone else.....
 
Maybe it is because I grew up on a farm, where I often ended up raising, killing, butchering, and eating my own pets, that this strikes me as just crazy. (and cows, pigs, and goats can be pets). If you are that loyal to your pet, good for you, but I would worry about people first. In a situation like this, it is human survival first, animals way down the list.
 
The bond between a human and an animal is an amazing thing. Lots of people consider a pet to be a true member of the family, no different from their flesh and blood. This is especially true with alot of the older folks, with whom their pets played a big part of their lives. Pets(dogs especially) trust you implicitely. They love you unconditionally and it would be heartbreaking to betray that trust. I saw some video footage of people shooting dogs on sight in NO and it tore me up. I would say what is happening to these animals bothered me more than the situation in NO. None of the footage made my eyes water except the one on the animals. The Snowball story especially tugged at the heart strings.
 
I love animals.

Animals are not people.

Easier to say "no dogs" and "no cats" than it is to say, "No dogs that don't get along with cats, no cats that aren't contained inside a sturdy container, no dogs that growl or snap at anyone in the rescue vehicle, no animals over XX number of pounds." All of which would be sensible lifeboat rules. (Oh, and where are the animals getting their water? While people are dying of thirst...?)

Hmmm. Now that I'm thinking about it. Easier to say, "No pets if anyone else in the transport -- or who might need the transport later -- is allergic to animals." Anaphylactic shock is nothing to sneeze at.

pax
 
I like dogs also but I completely understand why you wouldn't be able to bring your pet in an emergency evacuation. People treating there pets like humans is ridiculous, I have an aunt who does it and she is the lauging stock of the family.
 
I'm kind of in the same boat as "no guns/no animals/no evac" But that's pretty easy for me to say in my current state of mind, and in the saftey of my own home... (well work place anyway)

*edit* why all the harsh words for people that care about their animals? Animals have risked their lives for humans before, we are just paying back the favor!
 
I'am with Tory. I'd die before I abandon either of my dogs. Moonclip I hope you never get into the situation of having to leave a family member behind. People who don't have pets don't understand the bond that develops between human and pet. I'm single and Buddy and Mars are my immediate family. I see my sister 5 or 6 times a yr and my brother 3 or 4 times. On a day to day basis who sees me through the ups and downs of life, it isn't my sister and brother. I love my suster and brother but day in and day out the boys are my family and I won't leave them behind.
I can understand spending alot of money on pets. Four yrs ago I spent $1400 in 2 days only to find that there was no hope and had to put my Collie down and I don't regret one cent of it, I'd do it all agin in less than a heartbeat.

Bob
 
There's a difference between your pet dog and livestock. I've killed all kinds of animals, including some extremely cute little fuzzy tailed ones. But there's no bond of trust there. I'm not violating any agreement by blowing Mr. Bunny or Mr. Squirrel away and eating him. With your pet dog, though, it's different. There's an unspoken contract in effect. By abandoning a dog who would die to save you, you're violating the agreement. That's why it leaves such a bad taste. It's a low thing to do.

There's a long list of people I'd abandon, or even kill and eat, before the dogs I know :D
 
I provide for the security of my pets the way I provide for the security of my wife, my daughter and my son. The family unit is all of us, TOGETHER.

If I have to evac, I'll do it myself, on my own terms. I'm not going to sit in a bowl 10' below sea level with a Category 5/4 hurricane bearing down on me, waiting for some government functionary to help me, and tell me what I can take and what I must leave.

I'll care for me and mine. The government may care for itself.
 
I shoot and eat animals to survive and I'd abandon my pets to survive. There may be a bond, but it doesn't outweigh my obligation to myself and to my family to not waste my life or theirs to save animals.
 
Preparation

"Yes, but will you be free enough to be allowed to refuse the "rescue"?"

Perhaps you missed the reference to "GUNS"..... :scrutiny:
 
My wife and I are unable to have children ... this has been harder on my wife then on me (I kinda feel like I dodged a bullet there :p ).

Our pets are the closest thing we'll ever have to children and as such they are treated like our children.


So while some people are able to make that choice between the lives of animals and the lives of people, my wife feels the same about our pets as though they were people and woe be unto the "rescuer" who tries to separate her from her "children" (yes, she knows how to use that knife in her hand).
 
It seems irrational, but in my opinion we're just looking at humanity here.

My dog loves me with all her heart. She exists to keep me happy, is blindly loyal, obeys completely without question or complaint, loves my company more than chasing squirrels (mostly), and has put herself between me and harm many times. She would die to keep my wife and I safe.

I can't turn my back on that kind of loyalty. I won't abandon any creature I have that kind of a bond with, because to do so would be to turn my back on my own humanity.

I understand it doesn't come across as "rational," but there it is.
 
Hmm...

Something like this recently happened here in Washington.

A guy was boating on Lake Washington with his son and his dog. The dog jumped out of the boat, and the guy jumped in after the dogto rescue it. Later that afternoon, the boat was found adrift with a very scared 3-year old boy in it by himself. The 3-year old was able to eventually fill his rescuers in on what happend. So...in an effort to save a dog, this guy abondoned his 3-year old son.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/240268_mercerdrowning12.html?source=rss

Not being a huge dog lover, my mind boggles at this.

greg
 
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