Family Wants Answers After Pet Is Shot & Killed

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Stage 2, you weren't there and you have no reason to doubt multiple peoples' word that the dog was acting aggressively. It's not like the guy hunted the dog down in his back yard and shot him unprovoked - he was called by MULTIPLE PEOPLE who were scared of the dog and said it was acting aggressively, yet you keep coming back to how the person who shot him was dishonest and triggerhappy. He was doing his job, at the request of other citizens, and you who was not involved or present have no case against him or his honesty.
If you shoot someone in the kneecap for killing a dangerous animal (domesticated animals ARE DANGEROUS TOO), you've just BECOME a dangerous animal and i hope someone takes you down before you start shooting other innocent individuals for your twisted & unfounded reasons. Your logic is horrifically flawed.
 
This is a tough one.

I can easily see even the most docile house dog acting "aggressively" in a situation like this. Fresh-killed deer would be an incredible treat they wouldn't be likely to easily leave, especially for a stranger. However, resource-guarding does not equal aggression. An animal control officer should know this, but they're also in a position where if they try to capture the dog and fail, and it runs off, and it turns out to really be aggressive, maybe a person or another pet gets bitten?

Nobody should allow their dog to roam, but escapes are possible.

It does seem like the law could be changed. Two dogs eating a dead deer could be tranquilized instead of killed. But I'm not sure that the officer "did wrong" here, and I'm a huge dog lover. I'd be absolutely devasted if my dog was killed, and I understand and feel for the family.
 
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Geez, what a dangerous place some of you guys seem to live in; murderous dogs and lethal cats running wild all over. And the nerve of these creatures; to have a nature independent of the uses you have for them. Friends from the city when they visit are obsessed with the possibility of an encounter w/some raging beast (usually a bear) and when they go outside to relieve themselves, I have to threaten them to go over into the woods or they will pee right outside the door and rush back in if it's after dark. I've walked miles in the dark unarmed (sometimes with a decent buzz on) and have heard the nocturnal meanderings of unidentified beings (usually clearing a path for me) and I just don't feel the need to sanitize the earth of threats to my person(especially since I agree w/the guy who meets more human threats in a day than animal ones in a lifetime). Of course the dog will growl at you if you are coveting its food. And on which of Moses' tablets was it carved "Dogs shall not chase deer"? That obeisance to a supposedly long gone feudal subjugation of the serfs has been the excuse for way too many morons to shoot something when they weren't allowed to shoot the deer itself.
As I see it, I'm here to manage things for my creator and I've been given a top shelf tool to help me-not a gun or a knife, but my ability to understand. Ending a life should be rarely an act of immediate reaction to perceived threat(yes, it can be thrust upon you; pray that it never is) and killing a pet when there is no immediate threat of harm to humans or other pets is an egregious wrong to the pet's human family, be you LEO or not. "Trigger happy" is a truly bad thing.
 
I just love to read these "animal/pet shot" threads... such passion is rarely shown, even when a person is shot.

Not many people are worthy of such passion. And people that are shot due to "policy" reasons (ie. "murdered by the police") are, in the great majority of cases, people we're all better off without.
 
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Has our country became so full of panzies and wusses,that we need people patroling the place with orders to shoot to kill anything that anybody is afraid of?
I figure that some of us would not last very long if it has come to that.
I figure I'll be dead before dark ,the way I look to some people.When it comes right down to it,there are people that are afraid of everything that might look mean to them.That goes for people with weapons,not just guns,but anything that "might cause them distress",like an old dog,or an old man going rabbit hunting,cause you know he might harm the in some way!!
Where do you draw the line at?Does a dog deserve to be killed because he is doing what nature tells him to do?
Take care of them and they will die for you.Not many peolpe I know come anywhere close to that kind of loyalty.

Thank you for your time,
992
 
No, but kneecapping this guy because he maliciously and needlessly shot a domesticated animal isn't over the top.
Yes it is over the top. Completely and violently over the top. It's a nonsentient, instinctual, and possibly packish dog, that the officer believed was killing wild game. In your (and all the anthropomorphizers) opinion this dog somehow has human qualities and characteristics, which if you want to believe it is fine, but the minute you expect me to also believe your completely irrational and illogical behavior, your game must end and reality needs to step in.

All dogs regardless of owner and their place in your household are nothing but animals, and just like the deer (which noone seems upset about) it's life is not as valuable as a humans and in the eyes of the law and society it's nothing but property. If property gets out of line or is a public nuisance it's condemned. The officer that is responsible for this decision, determined that this animal was a public nuisance and took the appropriate action to remedy the problem.


Example:

My senior year of high school, we developed a huge problem with feral dogs. These were even worse than wolves or coyotes because they had no fear of humans and would enter human areas and even approach humans even when well fed. They started with taking sheep. Then they got a couple of calves, and eventually they started killing other pets, including we thought our neighbors two german sheperds because the amount of blood and fur that we found.

I had been actively tracking the pack for a month or so while checking cattle, so when the sheriff and game warden set up a group to destroy them I got to go along. It was not a happy trip. No one enjoys destroying animals, and we really weren't looking forward to the close to 15 that we knew we were going to have to kill.

We found them. In observing, I noticed that the neighbors two dogs had not been killed by the pack, but in fact had joined. We set up at about 200 yards and started shooting. Some of the dogs obviously scented us and rather than running away, they started running towards us. Their tails were up and wagging, their mouths open, basically all the signs that they were happy to see us and were non aggressive. We killed them all.

I know for a fact that had we not shot the dogs, I could have easily grabbed the two neighbor's dogs and taken them back to him, they probably would have come willingly and definitely nonagressively, because they knew me and they behaved around me just like they did around him. However, that's not the point.

These dogs like all dogs have a natural aggressive and violent instinct. In controlled environments with well established orders of dominance and control, any dog can be trusted, but outside that environment, the natural instincts are closer to the surface and depending on the breed, the dog, and the training, they may take control should the situation push the dog far enough outside of the dog's comfort zone and when those natural instincts take over, you don't have a dog, or a pet, or something that you treat like a family member, you have a wild animal that's scared, capable of great violence, and unpredictable.
 
You bet, every time. I've been a dog owner all my life and there are only 2 reasons I'm going to put a dog down. First, the dog is fatally injured and in a extreme deal of pain. Second, the dog is attacking me. Not snapping, growling, nipping at my legs, but really genuinely attacking me. Even then its not something I'm going to enjoy doing.

No one is saying it is enjoyable to kill a dog if it's attacking you...I think you're going a bit over the top on that one. Enjoyable, no...necessary, yes.

If the dog was growling (which I doubt since he probably had his face full of deer) then the proper thing to do would have been to back off and call animal control. Instead, this guy wanted to plug the dog, so he did.

WOW...have you ever been attacked by a dog? I'm not sure where you get the idea that a canine enjoying it's natural instinct of munching on a carcass is going to take lightly you coming over to make sure he's enjoying his dinner.

You are assuming entirely too many things. You have no idea whether or not the dog was growling. I'll bet this dog wouldn't be too happy if you walked up and attempted to remove him from "his" carcass! If you know absolutely anything about dogs, you would most certainly refrain from walking up to a FOREIGN dog while it is eating.

I was not there so I cannot speculate on too many things. There are some facts that we know that hold a great deal of weight.

1. These dogs were feasting on a deer..dead or not...a deer. They are acting with their instincts...not exactly in the "clearest/domesticated" state of mind.

2. The GW acted in accordance with the local law. If you don't like the law...try to get it changed. Don't bitch at the man upholding it.

4. Dogs can most certainly be deadly. I'm glad it was the GW in this situation instead of me. I'm not sure what I would have done, as I don't know all the details of the situation. Not easy, not fun...but he did what he thought he had to do--and he was acting in accordance to their law.

5. If the dog's owners would have kept the dog in their control/supervision...they would still have their dog.


This is yet another example of irresponsible owners blaming other people for their **** up. If you own a dog, accept the friggin responsibility of owning a dog and keep it under your supervision at all times. Dogs get out, accidents happen...but sometimes you need to accept what happens and learn your lesson.

Hopefully someone can learn a lesson by reading about this family's loss.

Regards,
 
Does a dog deserve to be killed because he is doing what nature tells him to do?
That answer to this question is in many cases, yes. The entire point of domestication is that we breed and train the animal to remove distinct portions of their nature while adding those that we desire, this makes the animal more useful and safer for us. One of the byproducts of this breeding and training is that the animals acquire certain behaviors and characteristics that in a wild animal would be extremely inconvenient if not downright dangerous. To prevent the introduction of these traits into the wild, (animals can learn behaviors from each other) domesticated animals that demonstrate nondomesticated characteristics that we have attempted to eliminate need to be destroyed.

I will just mention the following: (Not necessarily applicable in this case.)
1. Once an animal has demostrated pack tendencies, rarely if ever can it be broken of them. Confinement just prevents the problem not fixes it.

2. Most states have laws against domesticated animals killing wild animals. If it happens, the domesticated animal is alway at fault.

3. A significant portion of animals that are constantly unrestrained and allowed to roam freely will become feral. I'm thinking of farm dogs, but it's common in smaller dogs and in urban areas as well.
 
If I had been armed the last time a dog nipped at my legs then I would have killed it. It was the lead in a pack of 4-5 large dogs that chased me aggressively, and bit me on the achilles tendon.

If they were chijuahuas I wouldn't care so much.

If my cat ever attacks someone then I won't blame them for dropkicking it, although I'd go ballistic if they did it for no reason.

Animals use force. It might not strictly be 'their fault' since they are not sentient, but you still have to respond to it, like you would a mentally defective person.

Maybe this guy exagerated the dog's aggression, but maybe not. I wasn't there, and neither was anyone else on this board.
 
Does a dog deserve to be killed because he is doing what nature tells him to do?

992 a dog is a predator , nature tells them to hunt down , kill and eat the weakest prey it can find to avoid the possibility of being harmed during the kill . It also has taught them to protect their food and to be completely unforgiving in doing so toward any and all challengers .

All it would take is for a small child to decide to "pet the doggy" while it was eating that deer for this whole thing to have turned into a mauling and perhaps killing of a child .

The officer acted within the law and in accordance to the reports he received about the dogs behavior what he did was completely right and legal .

If don't want your dog to be shot for doing such things , then take care of them and don't allow them to run loose .
 
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