Petition For Open Carry In Texas

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Hello everyone. I have started a petition to the State Legislature and Gov Perry for the open carry of handguns in Texas. Please take a look.


http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html


For more information on open carry please visit www.opencarry.org

You can also join the Texas Citizen Defense League at www.txcdl.org and help to fight for your Constitutional rights.

Please tell everyone you know about this petition. We should not have to ask permission, nor should we be limited to concealed carry, to protect ourselves, our friends, and family.

Sincerely,
Ian
 
I just signed, I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. I'm also now calling my wife, brother, best friend... etc... and telling them to all sign. Let's make this happen.
 
Why do you want all the awful AZ, NM, and NV open carry violence to come to Texas?


Wait a minute, there is no open carry violence.







Good luck!
 
From the petition:

4. It is well known that the requirement to conceal a handgun for the purpose of protecting self, friends, and family can be difficult especially in Texas with our extreme heat since a person will usually have to wear a jacket to properly conceal a handgun and to avoid "printing."

This is untrue. I have been carrying concealed in TX for the last 6 years and have no problem whatsoever concealing a handgun year round, even in the hottest weather without wearing a jacket.

Anyone ever heard of "a vest"?

7. Ten states including Arizona, Alaska, Idaho, Kentucky, Montana, New Mexico, South Dakota, Virginia, Vermont, and Wyoming all allow open carry of handguns without a license. Twelve states including Connecticut, Indiana, Iowa, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, and Tennessee allow open carry of handguns with a license. In fact, Texas is one of only SIX states in the entire United States that completely bans open carry of handguns.

This is not true. TX does not "completely" ban open carry. There are a number of exceptions to the law banning OC.

And the list of states allowing licensed OC is highly misleading. In RI, where I lived for 50 years, OC with a license is technically legal but if you do it you will be arrested on sight. The exception is if you are a uniformed security guard. If you are not in uniform, you will be arrested under the statute that allows a LEO to arrest anyone who he has a reasonable belief is in violation of a weapons law.

§ 11-47-28 Arrest and detention for possession of firearms. – Every officer authorized to make an arrest may, without complaint and warrant, arrest any person who has in his or her possession any firearm whenever the officer has reasonable ground to suspect that the person possesses or is using or is carrying the firearm contrary to law. Any person so arrested may be detained a reasonable time, not exceeding twenty-four (24) hours, for the purpose of making an investigation concerning the person, but no person so arrested shall be detained longer than twenty-four (24) hours without complaint being made against him or her before some proper court or justice. If the officer making the arrest shall at any time within the twenty-four (24) hours satisfy himself or herself that there is no ground for making a criminal complaint against the person, he or she shall be discharged from custody.

Since less than 1/2 of 1% of RI adults have carry permits, that means that the cop can have "reasonable grounds" (that you are carrying without a license) about anybody they see carrying a gun on the street at any time. And they do.

What happens is that you get arrested and brought to the station. Showing your permit does no good. (It could have been revoked.) While they hold you they take their time checking you out. (The law allows them to hold you for 24 hours before either charging you or letting you go.) When your permit checks out they let you go.

And if you do it again the next day, they arrest you again. (Your permit could have been revoked overnight.)

The RI courts have never had a problem with this. The cops have never been sued for harrassment.

You OC in RI and you're gonna get busted every time.

MA is a little different but not much. OC in any urban area, and you're going for a ride. About the only time you won't get busted is if you are in the field handgun hunting, in season, and with the proper hunting license.

And I find it hard to believe that OC in gun-hating MD or NJ is trouble free either.

8. In these states, Open carry is very common and it does not alarm law enforcement or other citizens.

Another blatent falsehood.

OC isn't common ANYWHERE, not even in "friendly" AZ, NH, or VT, all of whiich I have visited (especially NH and VT in my New England days). Wearing blue jeans is "common". Eating at Mickey D's is "common". When someone can show me an urban area where people OC as often as they wear blue jeans, eat at Mickey's, or go to the movies, I'll agree that it is common.

Go to any urban area in ANY STATE and shoot some street scene video. Then count up the number of people you see OCing. Then tell me how "common" it is.

And the idea that OCing "does not alarm law enforcement or other citizens" in the licensed open carry states listed is another whopper.

In my hometown in RI (Pawtucket), a bus driver saw (from his high vantage point) a guy adjusting the position of his holster while both were sitting in traffic. The bus driver called the cops, who subsequently followed the guy for a while. (No doubt they were running his plate to see if he was a cop.) In due course, they executed a felony stop and pulled the guy out of his car at gunpoint. The guy had a fully valid RI Pistol Permit.

In RI, if the wind blows your jacket or vest back, or it gets bunched up and accidently exposes your piece, and someone calls the cops, you're gonna get busted. I have seen this happen on a number of occassions.

So much for "...does not alarm law enforcement or other citizens".

MA is no different. And would anyone believe that OC is common and does not alarm law enforcement in gun-hating NJ or MD? Again, take a camera crew and shoot some video of a licensed OCer in NJ and MD, walking around in a large city while OCing. I'll call the cops and we'll see how they respond.

Finally, I favor OC being legal in TX and elsewhere. I would support and sign the petition if it stuck to facts. I would not OC very often myself, but I favor it being legal.

But putting out inaccurate and misleading nonsense like the sections cited above just destroys the credibility of the petitioners and hurts the cause of OC.
 
Frankie, I appreciate that you corrected previous statements, but it seemed like you were acting like the whole cause was a bad idea. Sorry if I am interperating this wrong.
 
Open carry in North Dakota? Maybe if you're in a rural area and are a local no one will call the cops on you. But if the cops do come you're going to have problems.
 
Frankie, I appreciate that you corrected previous statements, but it seemed like you were acting like the whole cause was a bad idea. Sorry if I am interperating this wrong.

I can appreciate where my post could read like that. That's why I added in the part at the end that I support OC being legal, even though I might not choose to do it very often myself.

But it frosts me that some proponents put out such blatent misinformation about OC. I always thought it was the anti-gun people who did that.

I'm sure some of my frustration comes through in my post.

And please note. Nothing in my post was hearsay or something I read on the internet. I lived in RI for 50 years and held a RI Pistol Permit for the last 8 of those years. To me there are only two possibilities. One is that whoever listed RI as a state where OC is "common" and does not alarm LEO's or citizens has either never been to RI or is lying through their teeth.

If I'm gonna put MY name on something, it has to represent THE TRUTH.

If the author(s) corrected the petition I would happily sign it. But not as it is.
 
Open carry is accepted in Arizona.

Open carry is the only legal option in Arizona for those under the age of 21.

Open carry is required in Virginia if one carries into an establishment serving alcohol. And it is more common in Virginia thanks to the work of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. They are not pansies.

Open carry used to be required for those carrying a firearm within a vehicle in Ohio (and the swapping that goes on entering and exiting the vehicle).

When it's 115F here in Phoenix, I ain't wearin' no dang vest (gun-geekwear).

Your list of states that harass OCers is not an argument against the law change in Texas, but is an argument for a law change in those anti-gun states toward protecting RKBA (I hold my breath, but suspect Texas is on a better footing).

That 2% of AZ adults have CCW would also be RS to hold a CCWer, right?

I'm sure that Driving-While-Black harassment is more common in some states than others. But that is not really an argument for other states to pass a law to fight discrmination, right?

I don't think pulling out Rhode Island as an example of darkness hurts RKBA. I think it actually helps it by way of comparison.

So, lighten up, dude. :neener:

Rick
 
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Your list of states that harass OCers is not an argument against the law change in Texas, but is an argument for a law change in those anti-gun states toward protecting RKBA (I hold my breath, but suspect Texas is on a better footing).

I am not arguing against changing the law in TX. I favor changing the law in TX so as to allow for OC for those who want to practice it.

What I am pointing out is that some of the statements in the petition are bull. They are simply not true.

As such, I cannot sign my name to it, even though I agree with the objective.

That 2% of AZ adults have CCW would also be RS to hold a CCWer, right?

By the reasoning used by RI cops and judges, yes. But standards are very different for such things in AZ.

Also, AZ does not have a law such as the one I cited for RI. That makes a big difference.

I'm sure that Driving-While-Black harassment is more common in some states than others. But that is not really an argument for other states to pass a law to fight discrmination, right?

Again, it is not my point to oppose the purpose of the petition. Just to point out that a number of the statements therein are either grossly misleading or flat out untrue.

I don't think pulling out Rhode Island as an example of darkness hurts RKBA. I think it actually helps it by way of comparison.

RI simply happens to be a place for which I have a large amount of direct personal knowledge and experience. I know RI well. I was a gun rights activist in RI for many years. And I know from my direct knowledge that the way RI is represented in the petition is NOT TRUE.

RI isn't some place that I read about on the Internet. I lived there for 50 years. Nobody is going to run BS past me telling me that OC is common or accepted in RI, get it?

The people who wrote that in the petition have either never been to RI or are lying through their teeth.

Either way, they will need to correct the false and/or inaccurate statements before they will see my signature on it.
 
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