Philly: Get rid of a gun? He's over a barrel

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Get rid of a gun? He's over a barrel

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...source=rss&channel=inquirer_montgomery_county

By John Grogan
Inquirer Columnist
Keith Shaw is just a suburban dad who wanted to do the right thing.

He had a gun he wanted to dispose of responsibly so it wouldn't end up on the street, where it might be used to rob a bank or kill a child.

Shaw, a father of four boys who lives in Lower Salford Township in Montgomery County, thought it would be simple enough.

For years the gun - a bolt-action .22-caliber rifle - had sat in his father's home. It had not been fired for a quarter-century but still worked.

When Shaw's 84-year-old father, Wayne Shaw, moved to a senior-citizen complex this summer, the gun had to go. But what to do with it?

The son offered to take care of it for his father. He locked the rifle in the trunk of his car and drove to a gun dealer in Bucks County. The dealer looked it over and said it had no value.

"I said just take it," Shaw recalled. "I don't want any money. I just want to get rid of it; I don't want it in my house."

The gun dealer refused. So Shaw drove to the state police barracks at Skippack. The officer at the front desk had no clue how Shaw could properly dispose of the gun. "We don't take them," he told Shaw.

Shaw, who owns a pistol that he keeps locked in a safe at home, persisted. He could not believe the police wouldn't be thrilled to get one more firearm out of commission.

Sell it to a stranger

He asked a second trooper at the barracks. "She said, 'The only way we would take it is if we confiscated it in a traffic stop or something.' "

Shaw said the trooper suggested that he sell it through a classified ad. But Shaw did not want to sell it to a stranger. Or at a flea market. Or anywhere else it might end up in the wrong hands.

Next, he talked to a corporal at the barracks. "I said, 'Tell me what I should do with it.' "

Shaw said the corporal suggested he give it to a friend or neighbor.

(Yesterday, Trooper Dean Wright at Skippack told me the barracks does not accept guns because they do not have enough secure storage. He said most gunsmiths, for a fee, will accept and destroy guns.)

Shaw gave up on the state police and called his local township police. They told him that they were not set up to accept guns for disposal but that the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department could help him. So he called the sheriff's department. Another dead end.

By this point, Shaw's quixotic journey was becoming more a point of principle than practicality. He knew he could always disable the gun with a few good blows from a sledgehammer and drop it in the trash. He knew he could drive 50 miles round trip and turn it in to Philadelphia police, who readily - and wisely - accept guns for disposal, no questions asked.

But it just didn't seem right.

There was something else driving Shaw's persistence. His son, Joshua, 21, is studying criminal justice at Delaware Valley College near Doylestown and wants to be a police officer. The father is haunted by an improbable but horrifying what-if.

What if I let this gun return to the streets? What if someday this very same weapon is used against my son?

More dead-ends

Shaw, a car dealer, read in the newspaper about State Rep. Dwight Evans' lobbying for stronger gun-control laws. He sent the Philadelphia Democrat an e-mail describing his dilemma but got no response.

He then tried his local representative, John W. Fichter (R., Montgomery), whose office acknowledged his e-mail but so far has offered no solutions.

"Why does it have to be so hard when there are such issues with illegal guns?" Shaw asked.

It's all just so ironic. In a state where gun deaths fill the headlines, where gun controls are among the most lax in the nation, where lawmakers spent this week wringing their hands over what to do, a citizen can't even easily turn in an unwanted gun.

A good start would be for lawmakers to require every law-enforcement office in the state to accept all firearms for disposal. Even the National Rifle Association shouldn't have a problem with that.

And as for Shaw's unwanted rifle?

"It's still riding around in my trunk," he said.
 
:barf:

Is it just me or does this guy Keith sound like a 190 proof liberal idiot?

Double :barf:

What if I let this gun return to the streets? What if someday this very same weapon is used against my son?

What if a criminal gets hold of the hammer in my garage? what if he uses that hammer against me?

What if's are a headache.
 
The man is worrying himself sick over a bolt action .22 rifle, of the sort commonly owned by 12 year olds, haunted by a possibility that is really remote, considering how infrequently long arms are used in crimes.

What a twit.

And it seems that the PHL papers are really stretching deep to get an anti gun spin.
 
For years the gun - a bolt-action .22-caliber rifle - had sat in his father's home. It had not been fired for a quarter-century but still worked.

So its now a family heirloom...Why would you NOT keep it for your children, or their children, even if you have no interest in it yourself? Whenever I see people disposing of guns that have been in the family for 50 years or more I get a sick feeling. Now, there may be (economic) reasons why they have to do this, but personallly, they'd be the LAST thing I sold, before I ended up livin' in the streets.
 
"Keith Shaw is just a suburban doorknob who wanted to do the right thing.

He had a telephone he wanted to dispose of responsibly so it wouldn't end up on the street, where it might be used to help rob a bank or make a prank phone call on a child."
 
The father is haunted by an improbable but horrifying what-if.

What if I let this gun return to the streets? What if someday this very same weapon is used against my son?

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What if I let this gun return to the streets?

Whadda maroon.

If the rifle is just junk, then he needs to dispose of his junk.
He doesn't drive around Pennsylvania with his trash bags looking for a business or a government agency, does he?
Now he has made national news with the fact that he drives around with a rifle in the trunk of his car.
 
gun disposal

This guy must be looking for something but I do not know what. All he needs is a hacksaw and a screwdriver to dispose of the gun. Why can't he be responsible for disabling it? Must be a Democrat, someone take care of this problem for me as i could not possibly do it. Government come rescue me! Sounds like he needs to get a life.
 
If he wanted it destroyed....
HOW HARD IS IT.
The guy drove all over hell and earth!
Moron is right.

oOOOOOOH NO!!! a big bad 22!

quite pathetic too....IMO.
 
my wife inherited a couple guns from her father...

She considers them family heirlooms, and will pass them down to our son when her time comes...
 
OMG!!!! I have not been this PUKEAFIED by a story in a while!

Shaw, a car dealer

Please, Mr. Shaw (whose cars probably hurt more people than that rifle) tell me WHAT state agency can you just drop your car off when you are done with it? Unless you donate or sell it to some HORRID individual / company who may USE IT FOR ILL, you have to PAY SOMEONE at a salvage lot to take it. GOOD GRIEF!!!!

SWEAT FANCY MOSES!!!! What do these people eat for breakfast that makes them so <CENCORED> dependant on others to do things for free!!!!!

I AM PERSONALLY OFFENDED by Mr. Shaw (dealer of Death Machines on wheels) who believes that anyone who he sells his gun to may be an evil criminal. Last time I checked MOST OF US were not in jail or murderers. I wonder if he does such DILIGENT worrying about the folks he sells his 2000 - 4000 pound rolling killers too.

NURSE RATCHET!!! WHERE'S MY MEDICATION?! I think I'm gonna pop a bleeder in my noggin!
 
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What would this guy have to do to sell it to me in NY for zero dollars under the pretense that I am not buying it, but "making sure it never gets into the wrong hands".

Interstate long arms transfer requires an FFL right?

Could I just tell him I will "make sure it never gets into the wrong hands" and give him the address for my FFL? :cool:
 
I believe this is a anti gun publicity stunt.
If you want to get rid of a gun, bring it to the police and say you found it. Nothing easier than that.
 
seems to me that he could lay it up on the curb and run it over with his car

but hey, i'm not that bright of a bulb
 
Damn. Skippack is maybe an hour drive from my house. I'll give the poor unwanted rifle a new home.

Its not like it is WWII grenade, or some UNSAFE to use firearm that going to blowup in your face if you try to use it. There are a lot of wacko liberals in Montgomery county PA, it is a snobby suburb, but surrounded by some bad areas of Philly

It must be in bad shape, I can't believe a Gun dealer would not buy the rifle off of the guy for $1 and put it on the shelf for $50, someone would buy it.

The one son who has a handgun and is taking CJ doesn't want it??? If he is so afraid of the :what: What If :what: and he really hates guns he should just disassemble it.

Dumb story
 
Somebody needs to give this moron a call and offer to buy it. Make up a written contract to the tune of "I will never sell this gun and if I ever get rid of it I will melt it down and dump it into the Atlantic, blah blah blah."

Not that it'd work - obviously he's looking for somebody who'll take it and melt it down, since he's too dumb to, y'know, build a fire and toss the gun in... or buy a hacksaw... or drive to the nearest lake and rent a boat.
 
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