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I'd opt for a Mauser - either the CZ-24 as mentioned or an M-48A (Yugo Mauser). I order all my surplus ammo online. I also have ordered from Georgia Arms - 8mm 180 Nosler for an accuracy test. The domestic mass manufactured 8mm is loaded too light. I am very impressed with my M-48A, the action is smooth as silk, no hang-ups. It's accuracy is very good.

I don't live where the big critters can eat you, so I'm ordering a Yugo SKS for my truck box. After I refurbished my Mauser...it's too nice.

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I'm with Cosmo on this one: for the coldest weather, nothing has been battle tested with more success than the M39.

Or maybe it's just because I love mine too much. Eh, dunno.

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I order all my surplus ammo online.
That's fine for lesser 48'ers, but we up here cannot just order stuff and have it ground-shipped to us. Unless you're shooting ALOT, you have to go through a middle-man. Luckilly, we have ammo-pushers who are reasonable and honest up here. Bottom line is that we still have to foot the bill for shipping by boat.
 
Knowing little about alaska fauna, and only somewhat more about firearms I'm still going to be a fool and venture an opinion.


In a bug out, which will be of greater concern? 2 legged, or 4 legged thats eatible? former is probably better for the sks, a nagant for the latter. I somehow doubt even most 7.62 full size rifle rounds will reliably and quickly stop the larger 4 legged fauna. If true, it makes the bolt gun a less than perfect choice for tactical use, insufficent for animal defense, and thus only really well suited for filling the kettle.


Or you could apply logic and just get two rifles so you've got the proper tool for the job. Nagant in a gun rack, SKS behind the seat? Both were designed for cold weather useage, both have continueing cheap ammo production thanks to Wolf. If you find yourself truely deprived with just your truck kit.. the extra weapon to arm a friend/family member to provide security, or use in trade for necessities will probably be quite welcome.

I'd nab both, and a few hundred rounds between the two on strippers. Hopefully you should come out under 4 bills?
 
OK now throw these into the mix...

Money is no object to buy, but if gun is too expensive or nice, I wont leave it in truck.

For range use, I can understand the need to use surplus. However for SHTF use, I want good reliable factory ammo, not some third world rejects. As I am putting together my quarterly order for 750,000 rounds of various and sundry ammo, I can always get good (ie Norma, Winchester, HSM) ammo at lower 48 pricing ....so in your experience which has better "good ammo" loadings, 7.62x54, 8mm mauser or 303?

WildtherealammokingAlaska
 
You have unique requirements for a truck gun- must it have to be able to kill huge game?

Well, I'd say K-31. Probably the most accurate mil-surp. 6 rounds in a detachable box magazine. Straight pull bolt action (faster than Enfield). Precise sights, and shoots a .308 170 gr. bullet at 2800 FPS or so. Rifles run from $99 to $150. Ammo can be a problem, as it can only be found of the internet. Dans Ammo has a special that if you mention "Swiss Rifle Forum" in the comments line, he'll throw in 10 chargers per 60rd. batch of ammo for $30. the chargers generally sell for $2 at gun shows, so if you collect them and then sell them you're getting 60 rounds of "match grade" (swiss GP-11 is serious stuff) for $10. Can't be beat for such an accurate rifle. They can also be scoped with scount mounts, and I've heard of people having great success with 2x pistol scopes. Mine's all stock, made in 1943. The rifle reaks of quality. I read on cruffler.com that if they were to be reproduced to the same levels of quality that they were back in the day then you'd have a $2k rifle on your hands.
 
....so in your experience which has better "good ammo" loadings, 7.62x54, 8mm mauser or 303?
Gah, that's an easy question to answer... They're all the same. I don't see any difference in them in factory guise. They are in virtually the same class. Being rimless, the 8mm Mauser might feed more reliably and the gun is certainly accurate, the 303 rifles are all fast working and tough as a nail. The MN is certainly no slouch either. Heck, buy all three.
 
I don't own an 8mm, but Sellier & Bellot make good ammo for .303 and 7.62 x 54R, both in FMJ and JSP.
 
Hmmmm...[cue Cogitation soundtrack]

Hokay, the first thing I thought of was the Ishapore Enfield. It's only drawback is the old-school tangent sight, as opposed to a #4's peep. Otherwise, all it's details have been listed by other folks, so I'll leave it at that. One point: Enfields of all stripes generally reload faster with stripper clips than they do by switching mags. In service, the mags stayed in place except during cleaning and maintenance, and extras weren't issued.

The SKS is insufficeint to the task. We're talking Alaska, right? Cold, muddy, big critters, civilization streched out over large distances, infrastructure regularly savaged by typical weather, etc. I wouldn't want to depend on a semi-auto, and the 7.62 x 39 lacks oomph and bullet weight.

Another offbeat suggestion not yet considered is the MAS M-36 bolt-gun in a .308 conversion. These are super-handy lightweight carbines available in brand-new condition for $100-ish, and bonuses include loading w/ strippers, bent-over bolt handle, excellent peepsight, beefy construction, detachable magazine floorplate, high mag capacity, (Ten, I think.) ammo availability, and they come stock with a 16"-long cruciform spike bayonet that reverses into a tube under the muzzle for storage. The bolt is made up of all of four parts, and can be stripped without tools. A screwdriver can handle the entire rest of the rifle for detail stripping. The rear-locking bolt looks a little funny, but works fast enough, and it's a huge diameter for a rifle bolt which does much to dispel Enfield-style bolt compression headspace issues.

The only dis-advantages are that it's... well... French. Those wacky Frenchies don't put safeties on their bolt-guns for some reason, and the ATF required the addition of a trigger-block safety in order to qualify them for importing, so the safety arrangement is a little funky, but they work. These guns also have a tendency to have a rather short length-of-pull, but in Alaska I would imagine heavy clothing is required a lot of the time, so this may be a moot point.

These guns are the last military bolt-action rifle developed before the universal adoption of semi-auto actions, which qualifies them as perhaps the most-refined design of all. They're also a procurement-board-tested-to-death military surplus gun in what amounts to un-issued condition (They certainly never saw any combat. ;)) for all of about $100, a hard price to argue with. Mine shoots fine, right to POI, and recoil seems quite manage-able, unlike some of the other milsurp carbines available. I think the M-36 merits a closer look if you haven't before.
 
Sorry, having seen MAS es in the shop before, and jhaving looked at their quality vis a vis every other mil surp...

Its just one I would never have...

WildidontwannadropitAlaska
 
WildidontwannadropitAlaska
Waddya mean? MAS rifles are outstanding for dropping. They are designed with two fairly unique features. One is the 'quick release' sling to allow the gun to drop to the ground quickly as the hands are raised in surrender. The second feature is a clip for attaching a white flag (included with rifle).

http://www.brokennewz.com/worldnews/surrender.asp
http://www.brokennewz.com/worldnews/frenchadvisors.asp
http://www.code7r.org/Bintoons/allies2.htm

soldierofsurrender_1.jpg
 
Really?

Granted, MAS products don't compare to something like a SwederMauser, but I was suitably impressed with both the M-36 and the 49/56, quality-of-manufacture-for-price-wise. Once I shot the M-36, my assesment went up a couple of notches. Clean fit-'n-finish, nice balance, that sorta thing. And I've got a nice sampling of the rest of the milsurps to compare with, which is why I'm a little surprised.

However, my opinion certainly isn't meant to change your mind, I was just making a suggestion. You HAVE taken a closer look already. 'Nuff said. :) (Interesting side thought: If it's that ugly, no-one would wanna steal it, right? Just a silly idea...;))

That done, I defer to my initial idea of an Ishi Enfield, or failing that, a #4. Getting a good reputation whilst slogging about in the trenches of WW-I speaks for itself.

Upon reflection, I imagine the Russians (Siminov, isn't it?) designed the SKS to function in environmental extremes typical of Alaska, (Siberia's just a short hop across the Bering Straight, after all, and there's those vast steppes they've got.) but I still can't get behind a 123-grain bullet poking along at 2300 fps for dealing with things like moose and bears. There's that 300 yard caveat you mentioned also. That's .308/.303 territory.

Edit: Badger Arms, that picture gave me the best belly-laugh I've had all week! [WhinyLiberalvoice]Those Americans are mean! I'm gonna go eat worms![/WhinyLiberalvoice}
 
We're still back to the Enfield.
which has better "good ammo" loadings, 7.62x54, 8mm mauser or 303?
The .303 is the best, all commercial US makers and a number of reputable foreign makers offer it in a variety of loadings. 8mm is second.7.62x54 is a distant 3rd because of the lack of different good SP loads.
I'd say K-31. Probably the most accurate mil-surp. 6 rounds in a detachable box magazine. Straight pull bolt action (faster than Enfield).
The K31 is good, but 7.5 is not common and is not readily available in soft point. Also, the K31 is not actually faster than the LE. (I had a link to a speed trial between the two, but that page is no longer there). And, the LE holds 10 rounds, twice the capacity of the Mauser or MN and 4 more than the K31.

Someone mentioned the MAS 36. There is no soft point factory ammo available in 7.5 French and I don't even know of reloadable brass you could use to roll your owm. If you're just desperatly in love with the thing, you could get if converted to 308, but for what that would cost, you could buy several GOOD 308 bolt guns.

All the other rifles suggested are good, but point for point, the Lee Enfield is still the best. It's war proven for toughness, reliability and accuracy in all environments and climates. It has better fire power, it has equal hitting power to any full sized service cartridge of the 20th Century and better hitting power than the 7.62x39. Initial cost is low, maintainance in easy, ergonomics is excellent. Spare parts and acessories are readily available.

Other rifles may have specific features that are better, but no bolt action, mil-surp rifle combines as many good features in one package as the LE.
 
WITHOUT my BOB and AR15 ( I usually have limited supplies in the truck)

Well you might be putting the cart before the horse but I'll play. My vote is for a bolt action, mostly because of heavier bullets which I suspect would be useful in Wildfarawayfrommealaska.
 
Dunno where you'd find it...


but you could get a SVD. Designed for cold weather useage, uses a pretty potent 54R round, semi-auto... I know norma and UMC makes ammo for it.. just a thought.
 
The .303 is the best, all commercial US makers and a number of reputable foreign makers offer it in a variety of loadings. 8mm is second.7.62x54 is a distant 3rd because of the lack of different good SP loads.

Actually I've had very good results with Russian SP made by Wolf, Barnaul and others. The bullets aren't exactly Speer or Barnes, but they work. In fact their failures can look like success, as when a 200 grainer basically explodes and blasts a massive hole out the other side of the game.

SO much depends on who has what locally. Here in Anchorage there are several stores with a continuous supply of SP Ruskie stuff, but only an iffy supply of 8x57JS. This was one reason I switched from Mausers to Mosins.

On the SKS--that has promise esp if loaded with the new 150 grainers Ammo King has. I think an SKS would cope with them better than an AK.
 
but you could get a SVD. Designed for cold weather useage, uses a pretty potent 54R round, semi-auto... I know norma and UMC makes ammo for it.. just a thought.

I know there are a few Romak's around town that look like an SVD. They might actually be better than the SVD for Alaska because they have the advantage of using the AK's extremely simple and easy-to-maintain mechanism.

Either Romak or SVD also gives you a "holy cr*p!" factor when you pull it out. No nogoodnick in his right mind will mess with you carrying that beast. Of course the LEO's might be equally fearful.
 
I'm with natedog, a K31. And, wildalska, didn't I see previous posts from you about how wonderful yours was?

Please forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm at the age where I can remember anything, whether it happened or not.
 
SVD's are pretty expensive these days. $400+, usually, which would disqualify it for truck gun status. Big bastids, too, dern near 4 feet long. Extra mags and parts mostly don't exist, also, which makes 'em really pricy. $80+ for mags a few years back, IF you could find 'em at all IIRC.

'Nuther idea. Whattabout one of those FR-8's? Dunno how cheap they are, or much about 'em at all, really, just that they're handy-sized milsurp .308's for kinda cheap.

Cheap suggestion, worth whatchya paid fer it.
 
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