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jk.308

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Hello,

I am in the market for a new scope for an m70 270wsm. I am currently looking at a vortex viper 3x9x40 and a sightron sii 3x9x42. However i am having trouble find much information on either one, especially the viper. So I am just looking for some opinions or comparisons of these to scope to aid in my purchase.

thanks
 
Welcome to the forum.

Who ever heard of vortex or sightron scopes? Are they some new brand?

Perhaps made in China?

I buy only Zeiss or Leupold now. In the past I bought other established brands like Lyman, Unertl etc.
 
Is that Sightron that you're looking at a part of their Big Sky line? If so, I'd say go with that. If not, I can't say.

As for the Viper, you'll have to check the specs. If memory serves me, the Viper line of scopes has a really short eye relief. I don't think I'd put one on anything bigger than a .308. If I'm wrong about the eye relief, the Viper is a nice scope. Glass is better than you'd expect for the price and the customer service is outstanding.
 
Savage, I must have been typing while you were. In any case, you really shouldn't make assumptions and knock something that you don't know anything about. Sightron's Big Sky and SIII line of scopes are some of the best out there in their price range. Vortex also makes fine gear.

In fact, I'd take either over a Leupold, that is, unless you like a scope that has a shifting eye relief and less than perfect tracking.
 
How long has the sightron line been made?

Where are the sightron's made?

Same questions for vortex?
 
They might be the very best scopes made. But not many people have heard of them. If you don't like the scope you will take a huge loss. I prefer to stick with mainstream brands. If I don't like the scope I can always sell it for a small loss.
 
vortex is a sister company of eagle optics. they've (eagle) been in the binocular business for a while. I have a viper 4-12x40 from when they were clearing out a couple of models a few years back. The first one was off, and that's how I learned that vortex has wonderful customer service. They sent me a whole new scope, no questions asked, and when I called a real person picked up after 2 rings. (have you called leupold lately? gah!) Vortex scopes are made all over the place. Unless things have changed, the crossfire line is chinese, the diamondbacks and vipers are made in the Philippines, and the razors are Japanese. (as a side note, my new nikon monarch binoculars are made in china, so don't put too much stock in relating quality to country. It has more to do with the quality the branding company demands and will pay for than the inherent quality of the manufacturing plant)

As far as optics go, I have no complaints. I'm not a glass expert, but it's certainly better glass than my tasco world class, probably better than my burris timberline, and I can't really tell a difference between it and my weaver grand slam. Has more eye relief than any of those scopes as well. Sightron has been around a while too, and I hear good things about s2 and up, especially the big sky models, but I have never looked through one.

Jackel is right about resale though, I leupold will be hold value better than most anything else.
 
Savage,
Vortex has been around since the mid '80s and Sightron has been around since the mid '90s. Yes, some of their products are made in China and their higher end stuff is made elsewhere. If you are going to push Leupold, just because they've been around so long, all I can say is that it's your dollar.

Jackal,
Are you really proposing that the OP shouldn't buy either a Sightron or Vortex because they might take a loss on selling them? That's just plain foolish. I suppose that those that buy the likes of Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, US Optics and Swarovski are just fools.

Besides, if you get into a crowd that does more than hunt and does shoot beyond 300 yards, I'll bet that most of them have heard of both. In fact, why don't you try to find a Vortex PST some place, in stock and ready to ship. You may very well have a hard time because many know about them and want them.

jk.308, don't let these guys scare you. Do a bit more research, but I've had Sightron and Vortex scopes. Like I said, if the model of Sightron that you are looking at is the Big Sky version, it's going to be a nice scope. I got rid of a Trijicon in favor of a Sightron Big Sky because the glass was appreciably better in terms of resolution and light gathering ability. Sightron is also pretty popular among benchrest shooters (who really need to see their target clearly) who can't or won't spend the money on a Nightforce or the like.
 
Oh, you may want to take a look at snipershide.com There is a bit of an elitest attitude from some, but they have a whole section dedicated to optics. There is quite a bit of buzz over there about Vortex, Sightron, Leupold, etc.
 
I have a Vortex...and its a Viper...but there are 2 different lines of Vipers...the regular Viper, and the Viper HS.

2 very different scopes...Viper is comparable to a Leupold VXII, and a good scope with a bulletproof warranty.

The Viper HS is well up into Leupold VXIII territory...an excellent scope, solid 4" eye relief, bright and clear optics, and the bulletproof warranty, all the goodies of a VXIII...but the Viper HS costs an average of $100 less...I have the Viper HS 4-16x44 on my 30-06.

Vortex warranty is simple...if it breaks or gets broken by you, they'll fix or replace it...no questions asked.

And if you haven't heard of Vortex by now...you haven't been paying attention...no offense.
 
Have a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. I'm very happy with it so far. I've never used a Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, etc. but compared to others i HAVE used, i.e. Simmons, Leupold, BSA and other low-to-mid range scopes, it's amazingly clear and consistent, eye relief is generous (almost TOO generous for my application) and seems to change very little with magnification change. It's, frankly, the envy of my shooting friends. And i've heard nothing but good things about their customer service. A reviewer on another forum told how a senior member of the company asked his opinion after he tried it, tester mentioned the knobs weren't positive enough and the reticle had a slight perpendicularity fault -a couple percent- and according to the review, not only did Vortex offer replacement/refund, it sounds like they stopped production for several months to address the issue on later production...

http://www.opticstalk.com/vortex-viper-pst-416x50-ffp-initial-impressions_topic24041_page1.html
 
I've got both a Vortex Viper 3-9x40 and a Sightron SII Big Sky 4.5-14x50. In my opinion for a little more the SII Big Sky completely outshines the SII model, so I wouldn't even really bother with the SII.

Both are excellent brands that have been around for awhile. The Vortex is quite literally the best bang for your buck in it's price range. While The Sightron SII Big Sky is a little pricier and is a little nicer than the Viper. I'll write up a quick little comparison.

The eye relief on the Vortex is 3.5"(3x)-3.2"(9x) and on the Sightron it's 3.9"(4.5x)-3.8"(14x) The glass on the Sightron seems to be a better quality than what is found on the Viper, which is not bad by a longshot. Just seems the Sightron produces a more crisp, sharper and detailed image than the Vortex to me. Just by a little though. Vortex wins in the customer service department, while Sightron has a good warranty/customer service Vortex blows the rest out of the water. Even IMO surpassing Luepold. Almost forgot, the Viper line is made in the Philippines while the SII Big Sky is made in Japan.

If you're looking to really spend no more than $300-$350 than look no further Vortex is your answer. If you're looking to spend a little more $400-$500 look no further than the SII Big Sky.

Also on a side note, as far as I know the different model Vipers all use the same glass. So the PST, HS, and normal Viper all should be optically the same. The key difference being the PST being the tactical version and the HS being the 30mm tube version with a longer eye relief of 4".
 
I've had and used both the Viper and the Viper PST. They are two completely different animals.
 
thanks everyone who chimed in with previous knowledge of the 2 scopes in question. so echo if i understand you right, your saying the viper out performs the sii if i am wanting to stay in the 300 dollar range correct?
 
Vortex makes good optcs, but in this case I'd buy nothing but a Leupold. They are lighter. They have MUCH more eye relief which can be a big factor with heavy recoiling rifles and they are the most rugged, bulletproof scope made, also a factor on heavy recoiling rifles.

Leupold has upgraded their entire line of scopes recently. The VX-2 sells for $300, $329 with a long range reticle which I'd suggest and is abolutely the most scope for the money. You could spend $50 less and not have 1/2 the scope. You'd have to spend $600 to get a scope any better, and it would only be marginally so. A VX-3 is about $100 more and slightly better, but not $100 worth to me.

The only other thing I'd suggest is a Zeiss Conquest. Good glass, slightly better than Leupold, but much heavier, longer and with much less eye relief.
 
I've never seen a Sightron 3-9X42 Big Sky but I just looked at the Optics Planet site. They have them for $401.09. Then they have a $30 off deal. Then Sightron has a $75 rebate. That's probably a pretty good scope for under $300.
 
thanks everyone who chimed in with previous knowledge of the 2 scopes in question. so echo if i understand you right, your saying the viper out performs the sii if i am wanting to stay in the 300 dollar range correct?

In my opinion, yes.
 
If I'm not mistaken, the Viper HS's are wire reticle, not glass if that matters to you. I have a small 1-4 PST that's a great little scope, but in a different game all together than the type of scope you're looking for (mine's a little scope for a little rifle).

Never used one, but I've heard good things about the Sightron scope. There's a experianced person here that used one on a long range F class rig.

I bought a Bushnell scope not too long ago. It's a 4200 3-12 and I'm impressed with it. It's far better than the last Bushnell I bought years ago.
 
How long has the sightron line been made?

Where are the sightron's made?

Same questions for vortex?
AFAIK the Big Sky SII and SIII are made in Japan. As for Vortex, the lower end ones are made in China, mid grade (Viper) are made in the Philippines, and the higher end ones (Razor HD) are made in Japan. Vortex is a U.S. based company, and all of the design work is done there. I have a Razor HD 1-4 on my Sig, and it is excellent. All the feedback I've heard on the Viper line has been overwhelmingly positive. Both companies also have transferable lifetime warranties.
 
Actually I just had to call leupold and waited a hair under 3 minutes and they just said go ahead and ship my vx-1 in. No questions asked, pretty good service in my book.
 
again thanks everyone for the comments on my questions, ill take a look at the vx-2, however i know the stores around where i live have them going for 375-450 so ill see if i can find em in my price range online. and just an fyi the sightron big sky deal ended in march, at least from what there website said
 
Yep, you're right about the Sightron rebate.
Leupold VX2 3-9X40 is $300 every place on the interweb.
If you're looking at other brands, the Bushnell Elite and Weaver Grand Slam are right in there with your other contenders.
 
FWIW...if you are looking at Leupold, there is considerable difference between the VX-III (older) and the VX-3. I have several of each. I compared the Leupold side by side against Swarovski. The Leupold was actually very slightly clearer.

There was a NIB 3.5x10x40 VX-3 on another forum that just sold for $400 shipped. That was a screaming deal.

I've heard good things about Vortex, but never used one. I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to tell how they compare unless they're side by side under the same conditions. Everything works well in the store that has good lighting.
 
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