Pietta vs Uberti 1860 Army?

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THe Uberti Walker I bought new in 2009 was pretty much flawless. That was my first BP revolver, and it kind of set the bar for my expectations ever since. It was followed by a new Pietta 1858 Remington a year later, and that gun was also of excellent quality with no issues at all.

Next came a new Pietta 1860 Army, and it proved to be a real POS: very crude routing and cutting of the internal channels and screw holes, plus I had to replace the loading lever retaining lug twice before I gave up on it (kept flying out of its slot). On the other hand, it has always cycled and fired reliably.

Earlier this year I added a new Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon to my collection. Very nicely made gun with the exception that the cut of the trigger guard above the single screw is hideous. So the learning for me has been that with either brand, the odds are 50/50 that whatever you get will have some defect that you'll have to decide whether or not you can live with, repair yourself without much risk, or send back.

I've never been a fan of Pietta's case hardening colors, and recently Uberti adopted a coloring that closely resembles Pietta's. I wish Uberti had kept their old coloring process, even if it could look too "washed-out" on some models, it seemed more authentic to me than Pietta. Now both brands pretty much look the same. As for grips, Uberti's are shaped better, but I prefer Pietta's wood finish.

To each his own, I guess!
 
I have a pietta 1860 and a uberti walker the uberti is definitely nicer made but I don't think enough so to go for the price they go for in fact I'm some what disappointed in over all quality of both of them for what we are paying for these cap and ball knock offs a much better built centerfire revolver could be bought
 
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A few years ago I was in the same boat as you. Pietta 1860s were on sale at Cabellas for a considerable discount. So I bought a pair. Personally, I was disappointed with them when I got them home. The finish was not as good as with several Uberti cartridge revolvers that I owned. There were burrs and bumps on the frames that should have been removed before the finish was applied. Removing them afterwards would stick out like a sore thumb.

So my personal experience from a few years ago is I should have spent the extra money for the Ubertis, rather than going with the Piettas.

One man's experience only, worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
Pietta Colts used to be pretty marginal. Their Remingtons were always decently made but to me, too heavy and klunky compared to the lighter Uberti or Euroarms Remington. The last several years I have heard repeatedly that the Pietta Colts are of much better quailty. Having not owned a Pietta Colt for years I cannot comment but the several I used to have were no better than the "pig in a poke" ASMs. One significant difference is how much metal has been removed under the barrel where you ram the balls into the chambers. Original Colts have TONS of room for the long, pointy paper cartridges of the day. Modern repros skimp on the amount of metal removed during finishing and you can't get a conical into their chambers due to lack of clearance. With a little jiggling my ASM Hartford model 1860 will allow me to shoot the LEE 200gr conicals but any of the Pietta 1860s I owned would not allow it. IIRC the one Cimarron 1860 I had for a while would take conicals fine. In addition, the Pietta cylinders tended to get banged up by the bolt so I am suspicious as to whether they are as hard of metal as the Ubertis. That's my 2 cents.
 
......in fact I'm some what disappointed in over all quality of both of them for what we are paying for these cap and ball knock offs a much better built centerfire revolver could be bought

Alexander, I don't know what brands of guns you shop for but nothing in a modern cartridge gun of anything worth owning can be had for the cost of Pietta or Uberti black powder guns.

Maybe I'm a bit of a snob but I don't consider Charter Arms or a Hi-Point as worth my time and money. And pretty much these are the only new guns out there I can buy for around the same price as a Pietta or Uberti when they are on sale.
 
Alexander, I don't know what brands of guns you shop for but nothing in a modern cartridge gun of anything worth owning can be had for the cost of Pietta or Uberti black powder guns.

Maybe I'm a bit of a snob but I don't consider Charter Arms or a Hi-Point as worth my time and money. And pretty much these are the only new guns out there I can buy for around the same price as a Pietta or Uberti when they are on sale.
You have a point there BC!
 
Alexander, I don't know what brands of guns you shop for but nothing in a modern cartridge gun of anything worth owning can be had for the cost of Pietta or Uberti black powder guns.

Maybe I'm a bit of a snob but I don't consider Charter Arms or a Hi-Point as worth my time and money. And pretty much these are the only new guns out there I can buy for around the same price as a Pietta or Uberti when they are on sale.
I agree. Relatively speaking, these guns are dirt cheap. With sales on steel frame guns often dipping below $200, you cannot beat it. The cartridge conversions are more than double.
 
Only ones ones I ever see on sale for that low are pietta and only regularly at cabelas even at that any savings is eaten up by the mess of things your going to need to keep em running,
or even get them running worth a damn do to arbor size problems and the fact that these Italians wouldn't know how sights work if ya beat em up side the head with a sack full of Williams.
these sort of problems on any center fire would be cause to return to factory and sent back to you fixed with apologizes and free goodies on these reposted it's send it off to a third party with a check for half the things original msrp .
every place else normally puts them in the same range as various rossi and quite often in the relm of new smith's (one of the best things about s&w they make so many guns and sell so many the common models are always cheap if ya look around) and a number of new rugers
 
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Neither the Peitta or the Uberti are exact matches for the originals produced in the 1800's. On Uberti's part this is intentional and is based on all the fraud that was going on passing off guns as originals when Uberti got into the market back in the late fifties and early sixties. That maybe Pietta's reason also but their product line contains a lot of guns that never existed historically.

As I indicated in a previous post, the back strap and grips are one of the most obvious areas of difference. Here the Uberti most closely matches the original.

If you want a gun that is 99% matching an original buy a Belgian Centure. I understand they were made under an original manufacturing license and plans from Sam Colt himself. Expensive, but obtainable and great shooters.
 
Just wanted to say that right now cabelas has a sale on a bunch of their bp revolvers. You can get a pietta 1860 with spare cylinder for $229.00
 
If you want a gun that is 99% matching an original buy a Belgian Centure. I understand they were made under an original manufacturing license and plans from Sam Colt himself. Expensive, but obtainable and great shooters.

If he goes that route he might as well buy a 2nd Generation Colt 1860. No conversion cylinder for it, I had to get Howell's to fit their conversion cylinder to my 2nd Generation Colt, but there isn't one for the Centaur either.
 
If you are really worried about getting the best (who isn't?) take the time to hand pick either one yourself. Their quality overlaps each other enough that you can find a top notch example of either one (Pietta or Uberti) that will exceed the average of the other if you search it out.
 
Im new to the group but I think the Uberti is the way to go I have two Pietta 1860s Being Gooned at the moment so to help with the separation i purchased a 1862 Police seems it was close to being right as far as workmanship than the Pietta unless you have Mike fix them up
 
Goon's a very good gunsmith (had my SS Pietta '58 Buff done by him). Just recently (less than two weeks ago,) bought a blued "engraved" Pietta '58 Remmy ('smithed that myself, flawless 2 1/2 trigger and about same hammer - info on "how-to" here, article starts on page 17), thinking only thing left on either pistol is adjustable trigger mod laid out here: then both be perfect.
 
If you want a gun that is 99% matching an original buy a Belgian Centure.

+1

However, that wasn't the question. IMHO, as an owner of a Uberti fluted 1860, and 2 Pietta 1860s, (and a 1960 Centaure) I think the Uberti is better quality fit and finish than the Piettas. However, quality control is not 100% from either company, but i do think i've seen more poorly assembled and/or problematic Piettas.
 
fit and finish....

Most of my Piettas look like they could have been used to settle disputes in the canteen during lunch break, are scratched and have dings and the barrel stamps never seem to be completely clean. For a purist this may be horrific. They look like guns to me and for the price I really really like them. If little details like that meant much to me I would have held out for a Uberti. When I could get the Pietta for 199, that clinched it for me.
 
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