Good morning. I have a HK USP .45 Compact, a Sig 239 .40, and a Baretta 92 9mm. I have not shot pistols for long and am still stiving to become more accurate. This weekend the club had an expert and I asked him to shoot the pistols. As I have experienced the HK shoots 5 inches low and 6 inches left at 25 yards, the Sig is also low and left but not quite as much, the Baretta is perfect. I called the shop where I purchased them and they said that HK and Sig can supply sights to replace mine. I looked at the WEB site for both and could find nothing except a price list that stated a figure of $80, but I'm not sure that I was looking at what I needed, $80 for a piece of plastic; please. I would appreciate a little advise or maybe someone has experienced the same thing. Thanks
Pistol accuracy issues
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TonyB
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Before I spent money on sights,I'd make sure it's the gun and not me.If you're right handed shooting to the left means you're pulling the trigger,not pressing it.Alyhough you said the Baretta is point of aim,so maybe it is the guns.Bring the target in a little closer and see how you do.If you do end up buying sights,have a gunsmith put them on.You've got good guns there and you don't want to bugger them up.I've tried some home gunsmithing and have regretted it.
Maybe the "expert" is just an expert at shooting his own guns....just a thought......good luck
Maybe the "expert" is just an expert at shooting his own guns....just a thought......good luck
10-Ring
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I would also consider each gun is a diff't grip size, diff't sight radii, diff't caliber & diff't feel. When I first got my USPc I shot it a tad low too. I dedicated some rounds to it & now I shoot it as well as my other USPs. Instead of shooting all 3 during the same session, shoot one until you become proficient & then master the next one...
Matthew_Q
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I agree with some of what has been said. Did the other handguns shoot point of aim when your club expert shot them?? If so, the problem is you, not the pistol.
Like someone mentioned, shooting low and to the left is usually the shooter either anticipating by slightly lowering the muzzle, or pulling and not squeezing the trigger.
Do you have some snap caps available? If not, get some. Chamber and dry fire while holding a point of aim. Does the front sight move when you squeeze the trigger? If so, that is what you need to work on. The triggers on each of those guns are going to have their own characteristics, and you might need to take some serious time to aquiant yourself with them.
My 92 shot point of aim for me, but when I got a .45, I found that I tended to lower the muzzle a little bit, throwing my shot low and left.
Hope this helps.
Like someone mentioned, shooting low and to the left is usually the shooter either anticipating by slightly lowering the muzzle, or pulling and not squeezing the trigger.
Do you have some snap caps available? If not, get some. Chamber and dry fire while holding a point of aim. Does the front sight move when you squeeze the trigger? If so, that is what you need to work on. The triggers on each of those guns are going to have their own characteristics, and you might need to take some serious time to aquiant yourself with them.
My 92 shot point of aim for me, but when I got a .45, I found that I tended to lower the muzzle a little bit, throwing my shot low and left.
Hope this helps.
Becarefull of who claims to be an expert. Anyway if its low and left your flinching. The Beretta 92 is the least recoiling guns of the bunch so thats probably why its easier for you to shoot well. Shoot the gun from a solid bench and sandbags to confirm its you and not the gun.
Pat
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Man, I hate to see so many answers telling the guy HE is screwed up when it could very well be the gun.....
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It comes from experience. At some time in almost every shooters life he or she will have to overcome a flinch. For right handed shooters its nearly always low and left. For left its low and right. If the group was high left I may think it was the guns involved.
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It comes from experience. At some time in almost every shooters life he or she will have to overcome a flinch. For right handed shooters its nearly always low and left. For left its low and right. If the group was high left I may think it was the guns involved.
Pat
Pat, I have several hundred thousand rounds if not a couple million downrange. Been shooting my entire life. Shot on military rifle and pistol teams. Shot on a state 5 man skeet team. Have owned well over 100 different guns. Been there and done that.
Guns that are poorly regulated come out of ALL of the makers every day. guns with SERIOUS problems come out of the makers every day. Experience should have shown that too.
ALL I am saying is let's not bust this man in the beans right off the bat. SUGGESTIONS would be welcomed, but not telling him he does not know how to shoot from an internet armchair without much information..........
Guns that are poorly regulated come out of ALL of the makers every day. guns with SERIOUS problems come out of the makers every day. Experience should have shown that too.
ALL I am saying is let's not bust this man in the beans right off the bat. SUGGESTIONS would be welcomed, but not telling him he does not know how to shoot from an internet armchair without much information..........
Thanks so much for all the replies. Being a new shooter it could be me as the HK and Sig are lighter and have a shorter barell that the 92. This expert was a competition shooter that was very impressive. Before I dink around I will take each back to the range with sandbags and run a few hundreds round through them. Thanks again
mr. e
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I have a variety of pistols, and when I first started out shooting them, almost all hit (point of impact (POI)) to the left of my point of aim(POA). After practicing with snap caps, I eliminated the jerking in anticipation of the recoil as the source of the problem, but I still hadn't solved the problem.
After posting on a similar forum, I was directed to www.sportshooter.com/improving/targetgallery.htm where I found a marksmanship guide target. It told me that I didn't have my finger far enough into the trigger guard (too little "trigger finger"). Apparently, the curl of my hand was pushing the gun to the left when I squeezed the trigger. I adjusted my trigger finger, and the problem disappeared. I then found that each pistol I owned required a slightly different amount of trigger finger to ensure that it stayed on the POA when it fired.
Your problem sounds awfully similar.
After posting on a similar forum, I was directed to www.sportshooter.com/improving/targetgallery.htm where I found a marksmanship guide target. It told me that I didn't have my finger far enough into the trigger guard (too little "trigger finger"). Apparently, the curl of my hand was pushing the gun to the left when I squeezed the trigger. I adjusted my trigger finger, and the problem disappeared. I then found that each pistol I owned required a slightly different amount of trigger finger to ensure that it stayed on the POA when it fired.
Your problem sounds awfully similar.
bountyhunter
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Shoot from a bag rest and see what they do. Also, try different grain ammos. FWIW: it's true, low-left hits are the signature of a rushed shot where the trigger is yanked instead of squeezed gradually. I only know so well from doing it a thousand times. I have put guns in the safe for a few months that were "inaccurate", and after a few months of practice with other guns, I was amazed at how much the guns sitting in the safe had "improved" in accuracy during that time!
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