Pistol Caliber Carbine Chamberings I'm Curious About
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Steel Horse Rider
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10mm is roughly the same as 40 S&W and Ruger makes a carbine for that caliber, and my personal experience is that it is both fun and accurate within 50 yards. I put a Leupold red dot type sight on it and found it great for quick target acquisition.
Alex Clayton
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So far a few are making 10mm. I have one by TNW, I like it but I DO NOT recommend them due to the owner being less than stellar to put it nicely. The High Point makes one on the cheap that seems to work amazingly well for the price. The Just Right Carbine comes in this flavor. Probably top of the line is the ones made by CMMG. When this panic is over one of them is on my short list
dredd
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The 45 Raptor is a Rimless .460 S&W Mag.
I'm running 300/gr XTP's at 2,150/fps out of mine.
Starline makes the Brass.
I'm running 300/gr XTP's at 2,150/fps out of mine.
Starline makes the Brass.
Crosshair
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Rossi made a 454 Cassull model 92. Fun gun, but support isn't great.
wiscoaster
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Hi-Point makes a 10 mm carbine.
(Hey don't knock it ... I have one in 9 mm and it shoots just fine.)
(Hey don't knock it ... I have one in 9 mm and it shoots just fine.)
Dave DeLaurant
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The 454 Casull strikes me as an interesting option for a levergun, since you'd combine 45-70 ballistics with pistol-length cartridge capacity.
If you were trying for the 45-70 ballistics in a semiauto, you'd probably do better to leave pistol cartridges and go with the .50 Beowulf.
BTW, have you seen this new video from Lucky Gunner comparing .357 and .44 ballistics from a carbine?
Part of the PCC's appeal is the option of using the same ammo in both handgun and carbine. The problem is that defensive and hunting loads work most efficiently when formulated for either short or long barrel lengths, particularly with expanding bullets. For optimum performance consider the old 32-20, which was offered in two separate loadings for carbine and handgun.
If you were trying for the 45-70 ballistics in a semiauto, you'd probably do better to leave pistol cartridges and go with the .50 Beowulf.
BTW, have you seen this new video from Lucky Gunner comparing .357 and .44 ballistics from a carbine?
Part of the PCC's appeal is the option of using the same ammo in both handgun and carbine. The problem is that defensive and hunting loads work most efficiently when formulated for either short or long barrel lengths, particularly with expanding bullets. For optimum performance consider the old 32-20, which was offered in two separate loadings for carbine and handgun.
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CapnMac
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Would be even better if they resurrect the Camp Carbines. And then add a couple more calibers. Like 40sw, or, imagine this, 38super.
Cannibul
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Why bring back the Camp Carbine when they have the PCC and it already comes in 40 Short and Weak?
Longer cartridges would require a complete redesign of the PCC. I'd love to see a 45 ACP version, but according to the Ruger engineers I talked to a couple of years ago it's not even on the company dream sheet.
CapnMac
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The Camp Carbines have plenty of room for a range of calibers.
Really, the design could be improved by having a range of magazine wells, too. Which is going to complicate PCC production.
But, mostly, because the Camp sold incredibly well, probably for not looking all tacticool. So, why wouldn't Ruger at least look at a product that emulates the Mini-14 in appearance and expands their presence in the pistol carbine genre.
The Camp 9 with mag wells for Glock, Berreta, and Sig, would have sold like hotcakes versus the S&W only mag well. In 45, the 1911 magwell made--and still makes--a lot of sense. Today, ok, a Glock magwell would make sense, too.
BigBlue 94
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Big Horn Armory has a 500SW model 89 lever action. Prepare to open your wallet...
Corpral_Agarn
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Macon Armory was doing 10mm for a while. It doesn't look like they do right now.
My 45 ACP from them has been phenomenal.
My 45 ACP from them has been phenomenal.
earlthegoat2
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Big Horn Armory.
500 Auto Max (AR10 variant)
Levers
500 S&W
460 S&W
454 Casull
Don’t gripe about the price. You asked and they delivered.
500 Auto Max (AR10 variant)
Levers
500 S&W
460 S&W
454 Casull
Don’t gripe about the price. You asked and they delivered.
P5 Guy
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PCC in 38SUPER
Oldschool shooter
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I have a Camp 9 that I bought in the 80s, fun little carbine. Kmart was closing them out, it was a bit over $100 tax and all. Wish I would have gotten one in 45acp as well. Can't believe what these are going for today.
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Alex Clayton
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TNW offers .357 Sig options in theirs, Love the PCC's of theirs I have but, do not recommend the Co. The .38 Super was a round that seemed to have a lot going for it but the public in the US just never seemed to want to give it much of a shot. The 357 Sig is pretty close and its still hanging in there a little.
CraigC
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The issue with cartridges like the .454, .460 and .500S&W's is that 20yrs ago, when the Ruger SRH .454 made the cartridge much more popular, every levergun maker extant tried to adapt the cartridge to existing platforms and failed. Nothing could handle a steady diet of 65,000psi loads, let alone proof pressures over 90,000psi. None of the Marlin actions survived. The standard Winchester 94 opened like a flower, while the fatbody Big Bore did fairly well if downloaded and not proofed. Gunsmith Keith Dehart built some of those. The 1892 with its vertical locking lugs did much better and the 1886 could handle it but who wants a 10lb .454 when the .45-70 is available? None of the major manufacturers thought there was enough of a market to warrant designing a new action for one cartridge and they were probably right. When Rossi/Legacy built their Puma .454 and .480, the reception was lukewarm at best. This is why Big Horn designed a brand new action that is a hybrid between the 1892 and 1886. Ever wonder why they called it the model 89? Split the difference between 86 and 92. 
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MechTech has carbine conversion units in a variety of cartridges - 9mm, 10mm, .40, .45 ACP, .45 Super, .460 Rowland. Used to have .357 SIG too.
That's good background info. It's hard to justify a 454 Cassull when there is a 45-70 out there, similar to 50 AE and 50 Beowulf. 45 Colt lever actions are fairly common, so I figured a 454 Cassull wasn't such a stretch. 10mm semiautomatics seem to be the sweet spot for those that want a bit more power. If a lot more is needed, the step up to a rifle isn't that big a leap in terms of weight.
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