Pistol holds 31 rounds of 22 magnum. Good defense weapon? Yes or No.
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Hatterasguy
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If you want something that's light with little felt recoil get an FN57. My friend has one and its pretty good, holds 20 rounds, weighs nothing, and is crazy accurate. I was printing nice group's at 30 yards the first time I held it and hitting cans at 70.
Judging by how hot the civilian lame 5.7 round is, if you get them loaded up to proper law enforcement spec...I imagine it would make one heck of a hole in someone.
Rimfire IMHO are not as reliable as center fire and in a defensive weapon that's everything.
Judging by how hot the civilian lame 5.7 round is, if you get them loaded up to proper law enforcement spec...I imagine it would make one heck of a hole in someone.
Rimfire IMHO are not as reliable as center fire and in a defensive weapon that's everything.
There was an incident a while back where some garage owner got burglarized, but I do not recall if the burglar was hit or not but the guy that shot at the burglar was asked by the police how many times he shot and he replied 7 times. When asked by the police why he shot 7 times he responded I ran out of bullets.
Carter
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Haha, I like that. However, here in NC that'd get you arrested. Even the gun friendly cops are strict on the laws (from my experience). 7 misses would also be a very bad thing to deal with. I'm sure that'd bring about a charge on its own here.
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Again, 22 wmr is just as reliable as a centerfire. Stop associating it with 22lr in reliability.
It all boils down to individual preference. I know of this famous Texas Ranger by the name of JOAQUIN JACKSON who carried a 22 magnum as a back up. He is now retired and lived in Alpine where I grew up. Went to school with one of the Allee's who's grandfather at the time was the Captain for the Texas Rangers. And as far as comparing a 22 lr to a magnum you are correct. The comparison is not there. You got the magnum coming out of the barrel at over 1300 ft per second and delivering over 135 lbs of energy from a pistol. The 22lr won't deliver that much out of a rifle.
Poor man's 5.7. I think the Kel-Tec an interesting pistol but I'm not convinced it does any thing better than a 9mm all steel pistol.
As a plinker? Sure. As a 'fun gun' absolutely. As a defensive arm? I have many other choices.
As a plinker? Sure. As a 'fun gun' absolutely. As a defensive arm? I have many other choices.
I am still unsure of the old rimfire ammo is unreliable bit. The past 2or3 thousand rounds of .22lr I have fired I could count failures to fire on one hand and still have a couple fingers left. I have fired hundreds upon hundreds of rounds of .22 mag and .17hmr without a single problem.
Here's a thought don't buy crappy ammo and you won't have crappy results. Heck my P-22 has fired several thousand rounds with only two failures to feed and no failures to fire. CCI mini mags work cheap bulk ammo does not.
I will continue to carry my whimpy little .380 or even my puny little .22lr without a single worry that I am outgunned. These freaks of nature 400# linebackers with 1/2% body fat hell bent on killing you don't exist. Sorry to disappoint all of these rambo fantisies.
Back to the OP I want one. Wish it was not a Kel-tech but Browning doesn't make a buckmark in .22 mag or .17hmr.
Here's a thought don't buy crappy ammo and you won't have crappy results. Heck my P-22 has fired several thousand rounds with only two failures to feed and no failures to fire. CCI mini mags work cheap bulk ammo does not.
I will continue to carry my whimpy little .380 or even my puny little .22lr without a single worry that I am outgunned. These freaks of nature 400# linebackers with 1/2% body fat hell bent on killing you don't exist. Sorry to disappoint all of these rambo fantisies.
Back to the OP I want one. Wish it was not a Kel-tech but Browning doesn't make a buckmark in .22 mag or .17hmr.
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Do you understand the concept of a "straw man"?
Do your homework. There are cases 135 lb crackheads who take multiple rounds of .40 to bring down. The 300-400 pounders are not exactly unheard of either, although they are more often in the 30%+ body fat category...
If you choose to carry a .22, that is your prerogative. Ignorant and ill-informed, IMHO, but it harms no-one.
To try and convince others that there is no reason to carry anything larger is flat out irresponsible.
Carry what you will I have no problem with a .45 I own a couple 10mm. Maybe it's just the dumb farm boy in me. I have seen more things dropped with a .22lr than anything else combined over and over. Is it the best defensive weapon of course not. To many people feed on fear and think they have to have a cannon. More often than not the average CCW holder does not practice that much. Or they practice with cheap Winchester white box bulk ammo. The the load up with the latest sure kill ammo that has never been fired from their gun because it's to expensive.
I fire 50-100 rounds a week through my carry gun certainly not as much as some but certainly more than others. I guess is comes from alot of times in the woods as a kid cutting firewood. I always had a .22 handgun on me. I could go from finishing a cut with a chain saw to drawing and shooting a rabbit without missing a beat.
Also perhaps our meth addicts aren't getting the same uber dope that some other cites get. Most of the tweakers I have ever seen or been around were so sick that a spit wad would put them down. Maybe some other places that meth and crack is fortified with vitamins and minerals and such.
Yet I forgot this is the interwebz. Where you need a Glock 620 chambered in .416 rigby and a 25 round mag loaded with DRT 400 grain solids to go buy milk and bread. Then a .220 swift or the ever popular .223 is more than ample for a 400 yard shot on a bull elk or rhino. I guess my .300 win mag should go to the store with me and my .22lr on my next big game hunt.
I fire 50-100 rounds a week through my carry gun certainly not as much as some but certainly more than others. I guess is comes from alot of times in the woods as a kid cutting firewood. I always had a .22 handgun on me. I could go from finishing a cut with a chain saw to drawing and shooting a rabbit without missing a beat.
Also perhaps our meth addicts aren't getting the same uber dope that some other cites get. Most of the tweakers I have ever seen or been around were so sick that a spit wad would put them down. Maybe some other places that meth and crack is fortified with vitamins and minerals and such.
Yet I forgot this is the interwebz. Where you need a Glock 620 chambered in .416 rigby and a 25 round mag loaded with DRT 400 grain solids to go buy milk and bread. Then a .220 swift or the ever popular .223 is more than ample for a 400 yard shot on a bull elk or rhino. I guess my .300 win mag should go to the store with me and my .22lr on my next big game hunt.
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FlyinBryan
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i carry a lightweight commander in 45acp every single day. its the only caliber ive ever carried since getting my chl.
i doubt i will ever carry anything else.
i could see a viable arguement for 30 rounds of 22mag, but it would be wasted on me.
i doubt i will ever carry anything else.
i could see a viable arguement for 30 rounds of 22mag, but it would be wasted on me.
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Defense against what? A pack of wolves? Yeah, then I want 30 rounds.
There are some conceivable circumstances where you might need to launch a barrage in order to get others to safety. Let's say there's a night time home invasion. You might want to spray the hallway or stairway to keep the bad guys at bay while your kids run to you from the other bedrooms.
Or if you are far away from help. Say a couple of bad guys are stalking a lone hiker. She pulls out her trusty 5-shot snubbie and backs them away. But they're able to harass her from a distance and sucker her into wasting all the ammo. It does downhill from there.
There are some conceivable circumstances where you might need to launch a barrage in order to get others to safety. Let's say there's a night time home invasion. You might want to spray the hallway or stairway to keep the bad guys at bay while your kids run to you from the other bedrooms.
Or if you are far away from help. Say a couple of bad guys are stalking a lone hiker. She pulls out her trusty 5-shot snubbie and backs them away. But they're able to harass her from a distance and sucker her into wasting all the ammo. It does downhill from there.
Yes, a 22 mag from a pistol is roughly equal to a 22LR from a rifle and, yes, it's nothing to sneeze at.
I'd still rather have 10 rounds of 45.
BTW, a 22 mag out of a pistol is amazingly loud and gives a truly impressive flash, even in daylight.
I'd still rather have 10 rounds of 45.
BTW, a 22 mag out of a pistol is amazingly loud and gives a truly impressive flash, even in daylight.
Ryder
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I have a lot of respect for the 22mag performance but most of my experience is from a rifle. I've owned 22mag pistols, too noisey for my liking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KZMI-qNvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KZMI-qNvY
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Y'know.....I am a fan of the 5.7....have had one for years. The gun is amazingly accurate, very reliable and, with the right ammo, as powerful as a 9mm.
But.....the cost, especially compared to the KelTec, is quite high. IIRC, you could buy two PMR-30s for the price of a FiveSeven pistol and have money left for ammo.
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"I'm pretty sure dumping that many rounds in to a person would constitute excessive force in most places. All the DA, police, jury, etc would hear is, "The defendant shot the victim 30 times with a magnum handgun." Case over, you go to prison."
I agree 100%. Remember you will be judged by a jury of 12 peers. How many are gun supporters? Who would see this as "aggression" as to "self defense".
Do this & be the poster child for ALL ANTI-GUN lovers. I could just see the talk, "gun crazy nut", "see what happens when we don't regulate control of guns", etc.
If you can hit with guns the rest of us use to defend ourselves, practice more.
For plinking or poops & giggles, yea!
Where do you live anyhow, in the streets of Bagdad outside the Green Zone?
"I'm pretty sure dumping that many rounds in to a person would constitute excessive force in most places. All the DA, police, jury, etc would hear is, "The defendant shot the victim 30 times with a magnum handgun." Case over, you go to prison."
I agree 100%. Remember you will be judged by a jury of 12 peers. How many are gun supporters? Who would see this as "aggression" as to "self defense".
Do this & be the poster child for ALL ANTI-GUN lovers. I could just see the talk, "gun crazy nut", "see what happens when we don't regulate control of guns", etc.
If you can hit with guns the rest of us use to defend ourselves, practice more.
For plinking or poops & giggles, yea!
Where do you live anyhow, in the streets of Bagdad outside the Green Zone?
Yes I would reconsider my stance on .22.
I normally drink coolaid with the "big slow bullet" group. I really like my 1911's, and GLOCK 29's, but I'm willing to step back and take another look every now and then. I think the .22 is a pretty decent round, and I really do like the idea of having that 30 round magazine. I still don't think I would carry one as a primary EDC. It wouldn't surprise me if I eventually get one, and use it as a back up gun, or my formal wear gun.
CARTER: I agree that there is a point where low power vs capacity becomes silly. I also think your dead on with the outcome of the trial. That being said, I think the contrast of your post and your sig-line is kind of funny. YMMV
I normally drink coolaid with the "big slow bullet" group. I really like my 1911's, and GLOCK 29's, but I'm willing to step back and take another look every now and then. I think the .22 is a pretty decent round, and I really do like the idea of having that 30 round magazine. I still don't think I would carry one as a primary EDC. It wouldn't surprise me if I eventually get one, and use it as a back up gun, or my formal wear gun.
CARTER: I agree that there is a point where low power vs capacity becomes silly. I also think your dead on with the outcome of the trial. That being said, I think the contrast of your post and your sig-line is kind of funny. YMMV
VinnAY
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I've only ever considered carrying my P22 for a couple of reasons, weight and size are two, but I tend to think a .22, just the introduction of a gun to a defensive situation would hopefully be enough for me to escape to safety. If I did have to fire on a BG, atleast the sight and sound might also allow me to escape. But most of the time it's a 5" 1911
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A .22 WMR revolver is probably considerably louder than a .22 WMR pistol of the same barrel length, though, due to the barrel-cylinder gap. The .22 WMR pistol won't be quiet by any means, but a lot of a revolver's noise comes from that gap.
Justin
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If you're shooting guns without wearing hearing protection, even rimfires, you are doing permanent and irreversible hearing damage every single time you pull the trigger.
Hearing protection is cheap, easily available, and extremely effective at protecting you. Stop what you're doing right now, go to the nearest store and buy a $2 package of earplugs.
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The PMR-30 would be a perfectly cromulent choice for a carry weapon to those who are both on a budget and have a hard time dealing with the recoil from a standard centerfire pistol round such as 9mm, .45acp, .40S&W, etc.
The FN Five-seveN is undoubtedly superior due to the 5.7x28mm cartridge's far higher muzzle velocity when fired from a pistol length barrel. But it's also twice as expensive. And in the end, some folks just can't afford it. The PMR-30 is, as has been mentioned, the inexpensive alternative. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As an aside, if the PMR-30 takes off in popularity, ammunition manufacturers will likely begin to market loads designed specifically for the PMR-30, which may significantly reduce the muzzle velocity gap between the 5.7mm and the .22WMR.
The FN Five-seveN is undoubtedly superior due to the 5.7x28mm cartridge's far higher muzzle velocity when fired from a pistol length barrel. But it's also twice as expensive. And in the end, some folks just can't afford it. The PMR-30 is, as has been mentioned, the inexpensive alternative. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As an aside, if the PMR-30 takes off in popularity, ammunition manufacturers will likely begin to market loads designed specifically for the PMR-30, which may significantly reduce the muzzle velocity gap between the 5.7mm and the .22WMR.
The imperfect gun you have on you is better than the perfect one in your safe.
The imperfect gun you hit with is better than the perfect gun you miss with.
You can never have too many rounds in a gunfight. Statistics that say 2-3 rounds are the average. That means someone fired only one, and somebody fired a lot more than 3. Better to have too many rounds than not enough.
BTW, there have been a couple of studies on handgun lethality that seem to indicate that the number of rounds striking the target is more a factor in lethality than the caliber. More hits increases the chance of hitting something vital.
Please note that lethality is not the same as stopping power. You can create a lethal wound which may take hours to kill the target. You can drop someone instantly with a non lethal wound and stop the fight.
Ultimately, the question I have for someone looking for a SD handgun is: does it work reliably? can you hit what you aim at? and do you carry it all the time? The last is of critical importance because most SD shooting happen when you don't expect them. If you were expecting to get in a gunfight, you'd be carrying a rifle.
That big, expensive custom 1911 does you no good if it's sitting in your safe when you need it.
The imperfect gun you hit with is better than the perfect gun you miss with.
You can never have too many rounds in a gunfight. Statistics that say 2-3 rounds are the average. That means someone fired only one, and somebody fired a lot more than 3. Better to have too many rounds than not enough.
BTW, there have been a couple of studies on handgun lethality that seem to indicate that the number of rounds striking the target is more a factor in lethality than the caliber. More hits increases the chance of hitting something vital.
Please note that lethality is not the same as stopping power. You can create a lethal wound which may take hours to kill the target. You can drop someone instantly with a non lethal wound and stop the fight.
Ultimately, the question I have for someone looking for a SD handgun is: does it work reliably? can you hit what you aim at? and do you carry it all the time? The last is of critical importance because most SD shooting happen when you don't expect them. If you were expecting to get in a gunfight, you'd be carrying a rifle.
That big, expensive custom 1911 does you no good if it's sitting in your safe when you need it.
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