I wonder if he had a permit for that gun. 
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/14104580/detail.html?rss=pit&psp=news
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/14104580/detail.html?rss=pit&psp=news
Pittsburgh Teen Has AD In Downtown McDonalds
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Probably reaching down into his way-too-baggy-pants for some change, and BANG! Probably couldn't see what he was doing because the perfectly flat bill of his sideways baseball cap was in the way.
With an illegal weapons possession on his record, I guess we can rest assured that this guy won't ever be carrying a firearm again... Yeahhhh.
I can only make a wild guess at this kid's character. During the day, Wood street's not too bad. Its right in the middle of Pittsburgh's business district. I wouldn't go there after dark even if I was carrying 10 guns.
With an illegal weapons possession on his record, I guess we can rest assured that this guy won't ever be carrying a firearm again... Yeahhhh.
I can only make a wild guess at this kid's character. During the day, Wood street's not too bad. Its right in the middle of Pittsburgh's business district. I wouldn't go there after dark even if I was carrying 10 guns.
ZeSpectre
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Man I hate this sort of mixed writing.
Yup, he did something stupid and it's his fault.
Nah, I really doubt the gun did anything on it's own. :banghead:
romma
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Um, he was already carrying illegally, I don't think this kid will heed the law in the future either. But who knows?
slow944
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They need to find the person that gave the gun to the 17 year old and put them in a cell next to each other.
ZeSpectre
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Wow, what an astounding example of how insidious "gun control thinking" is. It even infects us and trips us up here on THR!
(Not picking on anyone, I've had similar thoughts myself and then gone...woah, that makes no sense!)
Officers'Wife
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17...
Doesn't the Gun Control Act (1968?) tell us he shouldn't have a handgun to begin with? I'm not familiar with Pennsylvania's laws but don't you need a permit to carry a handgun concealed?
All these laws to prevent this sort of thing yet they happen anyway. I can't help but wonder if there was an ROTC at his school with an instructor that would have trained him in safety and common sense if this little bit of stupidity might have been avoided? I'll bet no one will ever try to find out.
Selena
Doesn't the Gun Control Act (1968?) tell us he shouldn't have a handgun to begin with? I'm not familiar with Pennsylvania's laws but don't you need a permit to carry a handgun concealed?
All these laws to prevent this sort of thing yet they happen anyway. I can't help but wonder if there was an ROTC at his school with an instructor that would have trained him in safety and common sense if this little bit of stupidity might have been avoided? I'll bet no one will ever try to find out.
Selena
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So an idiot thug shot himself...
I don't see a problem here.
Look on the bright side, that limp will do two things. It'll increase his "street cred" if he can play it off as a pimp walk and it'll slow him down for the cops who have to chase him next time.
I don't see a problem here.
Look on the bright side, that limp will do two things. It'll increase his "street cred" if he can play it off as a pimp walk and it'll slow him down for the cops who have to chase him next time.
Pilgrim
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There was a rather salty veteran cop character in one of Joseph Wambaugh's novels who said, "..at my age all discharges are accidental."
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Roccobro
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I liked all your guys posts. Keep the sarcasm up!
Oh, and good for the victi...ahem!, kid, living through such a rough ordeal. Maybe he'll use a holster next time.
Justin
Oh, and good for the victi...ahem!, kid, living through such a rough ordeal. Maybe he'll use a holster next time.
Justin
30Cal
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"Negligent discharge" is the more accurate term 99.9% of the time.
Ty
Ty
Ready2Defend
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Maybe he was about to rob the place and had the AD while drawing from mexican or pocket carry? Carrying illegaly is not enough IMO to conclude intent to a crime, but handeling the gun raises my suspicion. Of course he may have been repositioning the gun if it were slipping around in his waistband or pocket. The gun didn't just go off, something depressed the trigger.
unrealtrip
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So before everyone starts cheering that he can't own a gun, lets look at another very real possible scenario. One in which is is innocent.
Kid lives in a bad neighborhood and had a run in with a gang, maybe more than once that threatened him.
Kid takes mom's/dad's gun or somehow gets one on the street for self defense and keeps it in his pocket.
Gun goes off when he is getting keys/money from pocket, shooting himself.
For the rest of his life, he will not be allowed to have the ability to defend himself against an assailant other than harsh language and sticks and stones.
Kid lives in a bad neighborhood and had a run in with a gang, maybe more than once that threatened him.
Kid takes mom's/dad's gun or somehow gets one on the street for self defense and keeps it in his pocket.
Gun goes off when he is getting keys/money from pocket, shooting himself.
For the rest of his life, he will not be allowed to have the ability to defend himself against an assailant other than harsh language and sticks and stones.
Gunbabe
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Maybe so
Maybe so but I see no excuse that fits carrying illegally.
Maybe so but I see no excuse that fits carrying illegally.
Titan6
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He was probably on his way from a church meeting to an NRA fund raising dinner and then tiny trouser monkeys climbed up his pants legs and started playing with his concealed piece.
oh wait that sounds like an un-real trip....
oh wait that sounds like an un-real trip....
Officers'Wife
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Hi Unrealtrip
OK, he may have had any number of reasons to have the weapon in his pocket. However, in this part of Kentucky two wrongs do not make a right and the law is meant to be more than an interesting suggestion.
He can always use gang attacks at his trial as mitigating circumstances.
Selena
OK, he may have had any number of reasons to have the weapon in his pocket. However, in this part of Kentucky two wrongs do not make a right and the law is meant to be more than an interesting suggestion.
He can always use gang attacks at his trial as mitigating circumstances.
Selena
DoubleTapDrew
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He Violated rule #5:
Never try to text one of your homeboys g-money concealed-style with your phone in the same pocket as your gat.
Never try to text one of your homeboys g-money concealed-style with your phone in the same pocket as your gat.
Mr. Designer
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He needed a J-frame in a pocket holster. Then again that leaves you without the 200+ rounds you need to win a gang war.
unrealtrip
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lol I hear you guys, I'm just playing devil's advocate and throwing out another possibility. It's easy to assume he was a punk and took care of himself before he robbed the place, and that is very possibly the case, however we should keep in mind just the facts and always presume innocence. Not to mention that other than the fact that he shot himself in the leg and is a minor, there are very few solid details given, any sort of statement, etc.
Like for example if some guy threatened my life and my family's life and the good sheriff of Alameda county CA decided that wasn't good enough cause to grant a CCW, I would very seriously consider breaking the law in favor of self preservation. As an aside, I have several friends that are officers and I myself am considering changing careers at the moment to pursue law enforcement.
Like for example if some guy threatened my life and my family's life and the good sheriff of Alameda county CA decided that wasn't good enough cause to grant a CCW, I would very seriously consider breaking the law in favor of self preservation. As an aside, I have several friends that are officers and I myself am considering changing careers at the moment to pursue law enforcement.
1BLINDREF
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maybe he was carrying to protect himself from the Hamburglar
Blackfork
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McDonalds
I'm lovin it.
I'm lovin it.
unrealtrip -
It's hard for people who live in free states to understand the CA state of mind - but I get you. Kind of like here in CA, the first broach of the concealed firearm law is a misdemeanor, and not a felony. Generally accepted as a "catch-all" for folks who have a legitimate need for concealed carry but either can't get a permit at all (most of us) or can't get one on the spot (all of us), and didn't know they needed one before hand, or for those who are from out of state and find themselves in imminent danger.
But seriously, this kid was clearly either:
1. Untrained
2. Incompetent
3. Clumsy
4. Up to no good
5. Any combination of the above
It's hard for people who live in free states to understand the CA state of mind - but I get you. Kind of like here in CA, the first broach of the concealed firearm law is a misdemeanor, and not a felony. Generally accepted as a "catch-all" for folks who have a legitimate need for concealed carry but either can't get a permit at all (most of us) or can't get one on the spot (all of us), and didn't know they needed one before hand, or for those who are from out of state and find themselves in imminent danger.
But seriously, this kid was clearly either:
1. Untrained
2. Incompetent
3. Clumsy
4. Up to no good
5. Any combination of the above
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