PM-9 vs. G26

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Hi All,

I currently have a 642 for my concealed carry. I love everything about it except that after hundreds and hundreds of rounds I am a relatively lousy shot with it.

Not good for a weapon I might need in a pinch.

I am a much better shot with a G 26, and have been admiring the Kahr Pm9 and look forward to giving it a whirl. I will miss the concealability of the 642, but it's time for a change.

Can anyone share some thoughts on either one of those or both weapons? Thanks!
 
The PM9 is a great choice for pocket carry, whereas the Glock 26 is more of a belt gun.

The Glock is more accurate and reliable, but the PM9 is considerably smaller.

How do you plan on carrying it?
 
You may consider some reduced power Wolff springs for your 642. It makes a world of difference in trigger pull, and is a very simple 'fix'.

That being said, I love my PM9 and would highly recommend it. Bear in mind that the Kahr is 'built like a swiss watch'.. very tight tolerances and will require a break in period. I put 500 rounds through mine with no failures. They do 'like' lube.
 
Plan on a good break-in period for your Kahr PM-9. After that, that gun is the finest small 9mm on the market today. (Except maybe for the Rohrbaugh R9)
 
Two very different guns, my choice would depend on where I was carrying them, the kahr will fit many places the block won't, but will hold fewer rounds and be slightly less reliable.
 
one has to decide how he wants to carry. If waist band (belt) carry is OK with you thenthe G26 is a darn nice gun, more rounds and it is easier to shoot more accurately IMO. I own the PM9 and love everything about it. I don't want to dress to carry so the PM9 was an easy choice.It rides in my jeans front pocket 24/7 and has for over 3years.

Super quality, very accurate and extremely light PM9 empty 14 ounces, loaded 18. G26 empty 19.75 ounces,,, loaded 26 ounces and bigger all around but a sweet shooter no less.

kahrs are very reliable IMO. My 3 have proven that to me anyhow..I like to repeat my experiences and not those of others..
 
I rented a PM9 at the range. Likely it had many hundreds or thousands of rounds through it.

It was totally reliable for the 200 rounds I fired. I think I could be more accurate once I got used to the 4 foot trigger pull.

I plan on buying a PM9 for CCW. BTW, it is far more concealable that a 642.
 
Get the MK9. It's just a little heavier but it makes all the difference at the range. It is still the same size as the pm9 so you can still pocket it. you should get one used that runs great and has gone through its break in period.

I think I saw one for sale in the classifieds (cough) lol
 
I have both the PM9 and a Glock 27 but I shoot 9 out of it with a conversion barrel.

I really like the versatility of the G27/26 You can buy all kinds of mag extensions and also sleeves allowing you to use the G19 mags bringing the capacity to 15+1

The PM9 is a must for me in certain clothing. I use a belly band called a truss.. http://www.specgear.com/Truss.html just without the suspender straps. I put the gun right on my him but above my pants and wear a dress shirt tucked in.

If I can go untucked I will carry the G26/27 in appendix carry or a "inside the waist band"

If you get a PM9 don't get a second hand one. The never generation is more robust with more meat on the polymer. I shot 300 hardball 100 at a time to break it in then just went with the powerballs. Later when I had time I shot 100 hardball to dirty it up and get it hot then I shot 40 Golden Sabres as fast and as sloppy as I could trying to get it to fail and it did not. So now I carry the Golden Sabres. FYI no matter what don't get a PM40 It sucks in 40 it is just too much for the size.

Lastly I do have the Crimson Trace laser guard for both. I don't practice with it much. (put black tape over it) but I wanted it for backup. You always hear "I never saw my sights" I have never been in a real incident and if I do look at the target and not my sights hopefully I will see the laser center mass.

If you can get both.
If you can't get the Glock unless you will find yourself having trouble concealing it regularly.
Then get the PM9.

The only gun I have that does not suck to conceal is a Ruger LCP.

Hope this helps.
Brad
 
GunNut said:
The PM9 is a great choice for pocket carry, whereas the Glock 26 is more of a belt gun.

The Glock is more accurate and reliable, but the PM9 is considerably smaller.

How do you plan on carrying it?
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Thanks all for the replies. Since I wear a suit to work regularly (but rarely wear the jacket unless I have to, I live in Texas and it is HOT here...) I pocket carry. My suits have deep pockets, but I don't know if the Glock will be too large. My 642 rides in a bob mika right now in my pocket most times.
 
Thanks all for the replies. Since I wear a suit to work regularly (but rarely wear the jacket unless I have to, I live in Texas and it is HOT here...) I pocket carry. My suits have deep pockets, but I don't know if the Glock will be too large. My 642 rides in a bob mika right now in my pocket most times.
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The PM9 is about the same size as your 642. Pocket carry on a G26 will be very noticeable due to the added thickness. So... unless you want to appear very excited to see your co-workers, stick with the 642 or the PM9.

Have you considered ankle carry? It is less accessible, but if you are in a corporate environment it is a good option.
 
Having owned both, the Glock is a better overall handgun by a country mile. However, if you are a dedicated pocket carry user, then the Kahr really shines. I prefer to carry IWB, so for me, the concealability factor of the Kahr was negated.
 
I have both. The Glock is a great pistol and is pretty easy to shoot. It's bigger, wider than the Kahr. Kahr has a DAO trigger. The Glock has a nice single action trigger which is perfectly ok.

My Glock has a bit more recoil than my PM9. That does not seem to affect aim nor impact. The trigger on my PM9 is exactly as the one on my E9 = sublime. It's one-half inch of precise hitchless perfection. It's a much "nicer"
gun than the Glock if you're just considering looks. It's a bit easier to carry.
I can get the Kahr PM9 in a jeans pocket fairly easily. The Glock won't go unless i'm wearing pants 2 sizes to big.

Now, this is a big deal: Round count. The Glock beats the pants off the Kahr in round count. I like to say the Glock 26 is it's own little army. It's also likely to fire more reliably than the Kahr even though my Kahrs have been perfect. I trust 'mine' to fire for me. Having said that, I would consider the 9mm versions of kahr pistols about as reliable as Glock.

Personally, if I had to sell one, it would be the Glock. It does not have much personality. Other than that - it's great. If you HAVE to rest your life in the hands of just one weapon - get the Glock. If you want a great range gun and personal defense weapon with personality - get the kahr. It's more fun to shoot and if you get a good one (more than likely) it will serve you well. (it's hard to point to one of these without going back and pointing at the other - they are both superb pistols). I'd still sell the Glock.
 
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The PM9 is about the same size as your 642. Pocket carry on a G26 will be very noticeable due to the added thickness. So... unless you want to appear very excited to see your co-workers, stick with the 642 or the PM9.

Have you considered ankle carry? It is less accessible, but if you are in a corporate environment it is a good option.
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Ankle carry doesn't turn me on, I want to be able to draw without bending down if I need to.

Right now my 642 in my bob mika pocket holster is noticeable, but you can't tell it's a gun. It looks like a blackberry. Since my suit pockets are all pretty deep (I carry IWB when wearing jeans) I'm not sure the little bit of extra size with the Glock will be that big of a deal.

Another factor, although it is directly tied to my patience level, is the shortage of PM9's right now. I do (non firearm related) business with a major firearms wholesaler in Louisiana (a happy coincidence nonetheless), and they tell me they are out of stock and not sure when they will get more. They tell me Kahr is a great company but a slow shipper.
 
I have a PM9.

I carry it in an inexpensive (25.00 or less) DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. I can easily carry it in any pants or shorts I own.

www.desantisholster.com

Get an A-Grip for your PM9 from Brooks.

www.brookstactical.com


And replace the floorplates in your PM9 magazines with Pearce Grip Extenders.


http://www.pearcegrip.com/kahr.htm


You'll find that with these additions you'll be able to shoot the PM9 quite well.
 
From what I've read in this thread and others about Kahr firearms, there is a split between owners on loving them and reliability issues / failures. Pockets are not the cleanest places to carry an autoloader, and subcompact firearms are not the best for accuracy, an issue you have with the 642. Search threads on Kahr and Glock, most of us on here give honest reports and opinions, I used this and other gun forums to gain information on my current concealed carry weapon... CZ PCR. If you had to put your life on the line with one of your choices, which would you want in your hand? And one more question is the Kahr PM-9 really that expensive? MSRP $786-$958 whew!
 
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"If you had to put your life on the line with one of your choices, which would you want in your hand?"

That's a great question. Glock 26 all day long.
 
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From what I've read in this thread and others about Kahr firearms, there is a split between owners on loving them and reliability issues / failures. Pockets are not the cleanest places to carry an autoloader, and subcompact firearms are not the best for accuracy, an issue you have with the 642. Search threads on Kahr and Glock, most of us on here give honest reports and opinions, I used this and other gun forums to gain information on my current concealed carry weapon... CZ PCR. If you had to put your life on the line with one of your choices, which would you want in your hand? And one more question is the Kahr PM-9 really that expensive? MSRP $786-$958 whew!
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Very good points. I'm leaning towards the G26 because it is the weapon that I am the best shot with. As long as it looks like a big pda/blackberry in my pocket I can deal with the concealability issues. Thanks everyone for all your solid advice and input!
 
Gave Up My P-9 Covert

During the P-9 break-in period I experienced a few feeding issues. By around 500 rounds fired, I started experiencing more numerous FTF instances at the range. Changing springs did not help and a thorough examination by a reputable gunsmith revealed no discernible issues. The reliability issues covered a broad span of various ammunition loads and brands. No, don't even think about limp wristing as an issue. So much for considering it as a carry weapon.

I don't buy into the Kahr "required break-in period". I experienced more failures as time went on rather than fewer. In short, I do not see the Kahr platform anywhere near as reliable as Glock. My Kahr was a classic jam-o-matic. Maybe it was just a "lemon" among many fine pieces produced by Kahr. But for the dozens of handguns I've owned and shot over the last forty years, it was the biggest disappointment I've ever experienced.
The G-26 which replaced the Kahr has had several thousand rounds through it without a hiccup. It is bulkier than the Kahr but I trust it with my life.
 
old corps. sounds like you got a bad one best thing for you to do is to stick with your G26. It is a nice handgun. I will stick with my trusty PM9 which has not let me down in 24,000 rounds. Hope your G26 can treat you like my 3 kahrs have. It just happens, doesn't make alot of sense for me to see some one bring down a company just because they got a lemon, course I have read the same negative attitudes towards glocks also just because someone got a bad glock.

I have a G19 that is deadnuts one of the most accurate handguns I have ever owned, after getting some nice tuning work done on it by Accurate-Iron, sad thing is ,,,,it won't ride in my front pocket like my PM9 can and does 24/7...
 
to say something in favor of the kahr, you'll like the size. It does fit in a jeans pocket and is barely more noticeable than my LCP. It is a heavy pistol.

I'd suggest going with the Kahr and using good ammo. Run 3to400 rounds through it and if you're not confident with it, sell it. they have really good resale value. I believe you'll be impressed with the manufacturing and workmanship of the Kahr.

I'm one of those who has not had any failures of any kind with my Kahrs. I now carry the PM9 almost exclusively unless I wear my somewhat oversized tactical pants and carry IWB. With the right pants, you can carry the PM9 or CW9 nearly identically.

My Glock 26 is a great weapon, but I can almost guarantee that it won't beckon you to take it out and fondle it. You will certainly lose very little with the kahr. With regular sights you can find the PM9 for nearly what the Glock 26 goes for. The more I shoot my Kahrs, the more impressed i am with them.
 
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