PMR-30 as a carry weapon?
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ronto
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If you're looking for something fun to shoot, stick with 22LR unless you're rich.
I have to admit that 30 rounds of 22Mag would be awesome if you're good enough to place shots in the BGs eye socket.
I have to admit that 30 rounds of 22Mag would be awesome if you're good enough to place shots in the BGs eye socket.
thunder173
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Has anybody even seen one of these yet? I could be convinced.
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I'm not really sold on the idea of .22 Magnum for self defense, but I guess it will the job done with good shot placement. The real issue is whether the gun is reliable.
rcmodel
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I would have no problem using a 30-shot .22 Mag for SD.
But there are no guns yet.
Until they come on the market and prove themselves to be 100% reliable?
I would rather carry my S&W 317 with 8 shots of .22 long rifle.
If I carried a .22RF for SD at all.
Which I do sometimes.
rc
But there are no guns yet.
Until they come on the market and prove themselves to be 100% reliable?
I would rather carry my S&W 317 with 8 shots of .22 long rifle.
If I carried a .22RF for SD at all.
Which I do sometimes.
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Joe Demko
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If the gun works reliably, I'd also have no problem with carrying it as a self-defense piece.
Quiet
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It's slightly bigger than a SIG P220, but weighs lighter.gofastman said:
Well thanks for all the input, I'm trying to decide between the PF9 or the pmr30,
its gonna be my main carry weapon as I found out its next to impossible to tuck a Glock 20.
Its gonna be used for recreation (maybe some varmint hunting too, who knows)
which is why I'm hesitant on the pf9, idk how my hand will feel after 100 rounds or so.
its gonna be my main carry weapon as I found out its next to impossible to tuck a Glock 20.
Its gonna be used for recreation (maybe some varmint hunting too, who knows)
which is why I'm hesitant on the pf9, idk how my hand will feel after 100 rounds or so.
Madcap_Magician
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If the PMR-30 is bigger than a Sig 220, and you have problems with carrying Glock 20, I don't think you'll conceal a PMR-30 very well.
My concern with the .22 mag is less with the stopping power and more with the simple fact that it's a rimfire.
My concern with the .22 mag is less with the stopping power and more with the simple fact that it's a rimfire.
bigfatdave
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How are you tucking?
The PMR-30 doesn't appear to be smaller than "duty-size", it isn't designed as a CC pistol.
The pf9 IS designed to be a CC pistol, but is not designed to be a high-volume range pistol.
Generally concealment/carry issues are as much due to the carry rig as they are the fault of the gun.
Of course, stuff from Block does tend to be wide and chunky ... so it probably is partly the gun ... but if you're stuffing it into a "universal" holster and hanging it from a Wal-Mart belt, then even a pf9 won't carry well.
wild cat mccane
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Good bye hearing for life.
rcmodel
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In case you haven't noticed, .17 HRM and semi-auto's haven't been getting along too well lately.
Remington recalled all their rifles, and Ruger never tried to make any in the first place.
The .17 HRM has a very different recoil impulse then a .22 WMR, and tend to blow out cases in semi-autos.
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Remington recalled all their rifles, and Ruger never tried to make any in the first place.
The .17 HRM has a very different recoil impulse then a .22 WMR, and tend to blow out cases in semi-autos.
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Serial Crusher
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Ballistics should be pretty similar to the 5.7
It could do, just be ready to empty at least half of the magazine to stop your aggressor. Stick with the usual service calibers if your life is what you are protecting.
.22 mag is too expensive for me, I'd buy one if it came out in .22lr.
.22 mag is too expensive for me, I'd buy one if it came out in .22lr.
Not sure about that. .22mag loads are worked up to be efficient out of a rifle. When shot out of a pistol, they lose an awful lot of their velocity.
The 5.7 WAS designed for the pistol and shorty carbine that shoot the cartridge, so it's pretty snappy out of a pistol.
SaMx
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http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1259682868
PMR velocities. They're all quite a bit lower than the 5.7
.22 mag is only comparable to 5.7x28 if the .22mag is being shot out of a 20+ inch rifle barrel and the 5.7 is being shot from a 5 inch pistol barrel.
PMR velocities. They're all quite a bit lower than the 5.7
.22 mag is only comparable to 5.7x28 if the .22mag is being shot out of a 20+ inch rifle barrel and the 5.7 is being shot from a 5 inch pistol barrel.
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Good bye hearing.
Sure its for self defense, but so is a 45 or 9mm. They permanently damage your hearing.
Also, lets see if they get it right. Kel Tec already made this gun and it was a failure for reliable feeding.
Sure its for self defense, but so is a 45 or 9mm. They permanently damage your hearing.
Also, lets see if they get it right. Kel Tec already made this gun and it was a failure for reliable feeding.
MachIVshooter
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For CC, that's a no-brainer. The PMR is light (14.something ounces), but dimensionally large, as in full size+. And the 9mm has far better terminal ballistics. For putting down an assailant, I'll take 8 rounds of 124 gr. 9mm over 31 rounds of .22 mag from a pistol every time.
The only thing the PMR shares with it's predecessor is the chambering and 30 round 2-in-1 magazine concept. The Grendel used tradtional blowback and had a fluted chamber. The PMR uses a Hybrid blowback/delayed system to compensate for varying pressures and recoil impulses of different ammunition. George has come a long way in design and quality control since the days of Grendel and Intratec. The essence of the former guns can be seen in some of the newer products, but they are entirely different.
Guns are loud. Hearing damage occurs at somewhere around 120db in fairly small doses. If the noise is continuous, even levels of around 85 or so can cause damage. A .357 Mag is about 164db. That's way more than enough to say goodbye to your hearing as well (how bad depends on how long you're exposed to the sound). Some people hunt with rounds that are louder than a .357 and some even use muzzle brakes which make them even louder. How many db is the .22 mag? I'm betting it's not much worse on your hearing than a lot of rounds people use for self defense. I'm not saying it isn't very loud...it is easily dangerously loud. It's just not the ultra mega blow your eardrums out in one shot insta-deaf round that you think it is.
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