Where did you come up with that number P-32? I know a lot of cops, including family members. If I were to guess at a number like you did, I'd put it at around 50%.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance
to all the force of the crown. It may be frail--its
roof may shake--the wind may blow through it--the
storm may enter, the rain may enter --but the
King of England cannot enter --all his force dares not
cross the threshold of the ruined tenement.
Constitution as Ratified by the States
December 15, 1791
Preamble
Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution...
Its incidents like this that color public opinion, and there's only one way to combat it....police officers policing their own ranks just as diligently as they patrol the streets. The sooner we get the bad apples off the streets, the safer the rest of the cop crop will be in the court of public opinion.
As I experienced life, that tarnished to "the Police are just doing their jobs".
When it comes to the most fundamental rights granted by the constitution...
You can record them. If they get snippy just tell them it's for their protection.My understanding is that you can record LEO while performing their jobs.
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they have NO expectation of privacy while performing their PUBLIC job
I've seen a Youtube vid where a guy was recording a traffic stop in front of his house, from his garage, and the cop came and tried to steal the camera and arrest him.That does not mean however they wont arrest/harass you for doing it.
It didn't which is exactly my point. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent it from still happening, and it also doesn't mean they are held accountable."I just follow orders" or "I'm just doing my job" or "I don't make the laws I just enforce them"
I thought that defense did not work in Nuremberg.
Intercooler said:Dave really? What would the safe distance be on a high power rifle?
hogshead said:10 yards if you have a safe backstop. Even if he was guilty of nd [which the court said he wasn't ] they had no right to search his house. Your missing the whole point. His 4th amendment rights were violated his guns were seized and your worried about how much land he owns.
The size of his lot and the nature of any backstop present are relevant to whether he was discharging the firearm in a manner negligent to the safety of those around him.Yes Intercooler, you are completely missing the point but that doesn't keep you from coming back to it over and over. This story demonstrates a clear violation of this man's 4th amendment rights and is a perfect example of illegal search and seizure, by a gaggle of buffoonish LEO's. That's what matters.
Keep talking about the size of his lot or whether he should be allowed to shoot there (he should). It's completely irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by raubvogel
"I just follow orders" or "I'm just doing my job" or "I don't make the laws I just enforce them"
I thought that defense did not work in Nuremberg.
It didn't which is exactly my point. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent it from still happening, and it also doesn't mean they are held accountable.
KINDA"I just follow orders" or "I'm just doing my job" or "I don't make the laws I just enforce them"
I thought that defense did not work in Nuremberg.