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The title says it all. I want a history of ALL police guns, from 1700's flintlock pistols to modern day 18-shot polymer pistols.
Evolution, really influential guns, why police angencies switched weapons etc. I'm just interested.
 
You'll be waiting a looooong time for someone to write that encyclopaedia for you because you're "just interested" ;)
 
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European police used mainly 7.65mm (.32 ACP) guns until fairly recently. The famous Walther PPK is an example. PPK can be roughly translated as "Police Pistol Criminal." More recently many European agencies have switched to 9mm weapons, such as the Sig Sauer or Glock pistols.

In the U.S., the traditional police weapon since about 1900 has been the .38 Special double-action six shot revolver by Colt or Smith & Wesson. This mainly replaced the older single-action "cowboy style" revolvers.

The police .38 served for most of the century until agencies started switching to high capacity sem-autos in the '80s. The stated reason was for "more firepower" due to the perception that police were outgunned by criminals. Later, many agencies switched to the .40 S&W caliber in search of a mroe effective round.

This is all very general background info and is a bit over simplified. You'll have to do more in depth research on your own.
 
Narrow down you question a little. Specific time frame maybe. You can always ask more questions later.

Have you looked for historical links already?
 
single shot muzzleloader, cap & ball revolver, single action revolver, double action revolver, semi-automatic pistol.

that's basically how it went, quite similar to the evolution of police long guns.

weapon technology evolves, and police will adapt new technology as they see fit.

Colt Single Action Army, S&W Military & Police, Colt Detective Special, Colt Police Positive, Beretta 92, S&W Model 10, S&W Model 19, Glock 17 are among influential police guns. There are many more, of course, but these are the ones that first came to mind.
 
In the United States, the first full-time organized police departments were formed in New York City in 1845 and shortly thereafter in Boston, not only in response to crime but also to control unrest. Texas Rangers started the same year. Prior to that there were Police groups but not paid professional organizations... more like local watchmen (militia)

http://realpolice.net/police-history.shtml

Guns?

Don't know about flintlocks, but Colt did make the Walker (see Texas Ranger history) 1851 Navy [saw one online marked US Police Balti(more) - see link below] and an 1862 Pocket Police model of their percussion cap revolvers. Probably some police used cap n balls converted to metallic cartridges like Rogers & Spencers but you're gonna have to do some research on that. We all know about the Colt SAA used during the old west, but I'd bet that not a few Merwin & Hulbert and S&W Schofield's were used as well. Again, gonna be up to you to find out. Later Remingtons (wasn't the 1890 called a Police?) and Colt DA's came onto the scene.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesdp09/baltimorepolicehistorybywmhackley2/id25.html (warning... obnoxious SWAT sound trax on opening)

Gets easier around the turn of the century when both Colt & S&W came out with revolvers which actually were marked "Police" somewhere in their name.

Don't forget billy clubs, whistles, cuffs and saps. Badges too.
 
Did police commonly carry sidearms prior to around the Civil War?

I'd say the approximate history of the American police sidearm would go:
1850-1880s Colt cap-and-ball revolvers
1870s-1910s Single action revolvers
1900s-1980s double action 38s from Colt & S&W
1970s-1990s Wondernines ie S&W 59, Beretta 92, Glock 17
1990s-2000s High-cap 40S&W & 45ACPs
 
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One revolver NOT commonly carried by US police was the Colt SAA. It was used by some Western sheriffs but I know of no city police force that used it.

More common in that era were revolvers like the Colt New Line, until the advent of DA revolvers around 1895. Most city police carried their weapons concealed, under long coats that were cut away so they could reach the holster, but open carry (the West was again an exception) was almost unknown.

Jim
 
The title says it all. I want a history of ALL police guns, from 1700's flintlock pistols to modern day 18-shot polymer pistols.
Evolution, really influential guns, why police angencies switched weapons etc. I'm just interested.

I want a minimum 500 word business case from you describing the objective and benefits of this research.
 
cz.22,

firearms existed way back in the 1300's, so you might want to move the date of your report back by another 400 years.
 
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cz.22,

firearms existed way back in the 1300's, so you might want to move the date of your report back by another 400 years.

Yes, but police did not exist that far back.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Robin Hood :)barf: ) and his Merry Band twisting the tail of the "Shire Reeve" (hint the modern term is: Sheriff) back in the day.....;)
 
1823
the pressure of Indian raids, two companies of "men . . . to act as rangers for the common defense" are formed under Stephen F. Austin's authority as empresario. These men are commonly regarded as the first Texas Rangers.
It appears the first Texas Rangers were more of a small military force rather than a police organization.
http://www.texasranger.org/history/Timeranging.htm
Basic timeline info on Texas Rangers.

1844
Texas Rangers under Capt. Jack Hays first use the five-shot Colt revolver (Paterson model) against the Comanche at the Battle of Walker Creek.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Robin Hood ( ) and his Merry Band twisting the tail of the "Shire Reeve" (hint the modern term is: Sheriff) back in the day.....
Yes, I'm aware of the etymology. I don't know much about the Sheriffs of merry olde England, but they weren't the same as a modern police force.
 
"Surely this is covered in a book somewhere." - Fawkes

Actually, very little has been written about police weapons, compared to the hundreds of volumes on military arms. Confusing things further is the habit of gun makers of calling a firearm a "police" model, when the name is nothing more than a pious hope of police adoption, if even that. During the heyday of the "suicide special", many of those cheap guns were called by such names as "police special" or "secret service special", even though it is very unlikely that any were actually carried by members of any law enforcement agency.

Articles on individual guns often say, almost as an afterthought, that "this gun was used by the xxx police", or that the gun was "popular with police."

As for the origins of police, there were organized police forces back at least as far as ancient Rome, which was divided into what we would call "precincts" for police protection. Even in the middle ages, most towns had a "watch" that patrolled the streets and was charged with preventing crime and apprehending wrongdoers. Sometimes the police force was part of the general military force, but mostly it was at least semi-independent.

Jim
 
Yes, but police did not exist that far back.

What is your basis for this?

Every organized society (towns, written language) has provided some sort of either paid or volunteer/conscripted group of armed men to catch thieves and to keep public order.

Ancient Rome had a paid police force (Vigiles) numbering 7,500 men to keep public order.

By the 1300's specially created bodies such as Janissaries (they loved guns!) in Turkey and Gendarmes in Europe were used as police in times of peace and war.
 
What is your basis for this?

I've heard that from at least one history professor, seems like more than one. Wikipedia cites the first police force as emerging in 17th century France.

Maybe such judgements are made by people with a narrower definition of "police." Maybe my profs were speaking within the American context and I took it the wrong way.

Interesting points, sirs.
 
Upon further thought, there are very few guns developed specifically for police usage. I believe that most firearms used by police forces came either from civilian sporting arms or the military.

The only 20th Century+ gun I can think of is the HK P7/PSP gun. Developed specifically for police use before it became a civilian gun.
 
my 2 cents worth,,,

I think the first regular issue New York City Police weapon was the Colt .32 New Police, in the year 1895 by them Police Commissioner Theodor Roosevelt. Before that year, Policemen were responsible for supplying their own arms. As you might imagine, each Policeman had a very different view as to which weapon was best. A few still had and liked the cut down 4 inch barreled 1851 Colt Navy cap and ball; but many other types were used.

The .32 New Police was chosen because it was noted for accuracy, and very light weight. At that time most Police were walking a beat, and a small light pistol and a very large night stick seemed preferable.

Not long after 1895, more and more cars made the scene, while the .32 seemed adequate for occasionally chasing a suspect on foot, such a small pistol was entirely inadequate for a car chase, even when chasing Model "T" Fords. So before long the ,32 lost favor and the .38 was selected.

Interestingly, in the 1930's, cars became faster and the metal on cars grew thicker. and to many Police Departments, the .38 Special became inadequate, so the .38/.44 and the .357 Magnum made the scene. Then in the 1970s/1980's cars grew smaller and metal covers thinner, and the 9mm auto's seemed best.

??? What next?
 
CZ.22

Hell man I want a redhead with big Charles and low morals, you hook me up with what I want and I will do your research for you!

Seriously you might have gotten some help with your project if you had asked for help instead of demanding it!
 
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European police used mainly 7.65mm (.32 ACP) guns until fairly recently. The famous Walther PPK is an example. PPK can be roughly translated as "Police Pistol Criminal."


Not trying to nitpick but the K stands for Kurz which means short not "criminal".

The PPK is a compact version of the Walther PP. You're right the PP stands for Polizei Pistole or Police Pistol but the PPK is Polizei Pistole Kurz or Police Pistol Short or more correctly Police Pistol Compact translated to English.

The PPK is just a smaller version of the PP.


http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg13-e.htm
 
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