Miami Pol and Police Chief call for AWB Renewal

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These Miami politicians never stop crying for more gun control.And Timoney is probably the most anti gun Chief in America.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/420087.html

Miami City Commissioner Marc Sarnoff called for the reinstatement of a federal assault-weapons ban.
Posted on Fri, Feb. 15, 2008
By CHARLES RABIN
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As the widow and father of gunned-down Miami police officer James Walker stood at his side Thursday, Miami City Commissioner Marc Sarnoff called on Congress to bring back an assault-weapons ban that ended four years ago.

Detective Walker -- who was off duty in the early hours of Jan. 8 and on his way to visit his wife -- was shot dead by an AK-47 as he sat behind the wheel of his car in an alley in the 1700 block of South Glades Drive in North Miami Beach.

Andrew James Rolle, 20, was arrested and charged with first-degree and attempted murder. Police believe he was trying to kill someone else in a dispute over a stolen gun.

In addition to Walker, three Miami-Dade officers have been shot -- one of them killed -- by assault weapons in the past year. ''Our police are outgunned and outmanned,'' Sarnoff said, with Miami Police Chief John Timoney and his command staff looking on. 'This is [criminals'] weapon of choice.''

Sarnoff is pushing a three-point plan: He's urging citizens to send their Congressional leaders a signed letter his office drafted calling for the ban, he wants fellow commissioners to pass a resolution urging state and federal governments to pass a ban, and he wants more stringent sentences for those found guilty of crimes while using assault weapons.

The commissioner also said he would sit down with the city attorney to try to draft legislation that would make the sale of assault weapons illegal in Miami.

OTHER DEATH

Almost two months before Walker's death, Miami-Dade County commissioners urged their lobbyists to pressure Congress to reinstitute the ban that Congress let expire in 2004.

They were spurred by the September death of Miami-Dade police Officer Jose Somohano in South Miami-Dade at the hands of Shawn LaBeet's MAK-90.

Around the time the county moved on the ban, the head of the largest local police union also came out for a weapons ban, as did an influential state legislator who said he would push for the state to enact a similar ban.

All spoke of the high number of rounds the weapons can fire and their power.

''Their place is on the battlefield, not in the city of Miami,'' Sarnoff said of assault weapons.

Timoney, who heads up an international agency of police chiefs and sheriffs, and has spoken publicly about an assault-weapons ban, rattled off a series of numbers that showed an increase in deaths caused by assault weapons since 2004, and an increase in the recovery of such weapons.

`TERRIBLY WRONG'

The chief said about 80 percent of Miami's homicides are now caused by guns, ''and when you start to get to 80 percent, there's an indication something is terribly wrong with local legislation,'' he said.

He also said his department has purchased 30 AR-15s -- a move he said he would rather not have had to make -- to combat assault weapons on the streets.

Asked if banning such weapons would go against the Second Amendment to the Constitution, Timoney didn't hesitate.

''This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. There is freedom of the press -- but we have libel laws,'' Timoney said. ``You can craft a bill that still gives people the right to bear arms.''
 
There is freedom of the press -- but we have libel laws,
There is the right to keep and bear arms -- but we have murder and assault laws.


Andrew James Rolle, 20, was arrested and charged with first-degree and attempted murder. Police believe he was trying to kill someone else in a dispute over a stolen gun.
Miss the obvious much?
 
He also said his department has purchased 30 AR-15s -- a move he said he would rather not have had to make -- to combat assault weapons on the streets.

No this is the obvious. He admits that they have to have these "super-weapons" to combat the guns on the streets (in the hands of criminals I am hoping). So if the police need "more gun" to combat the criminals, how come the people don't deserve the same right to defend themselves?
 
The chief said about 80 percent of Miami's homicides are now caused by guns, ''and when you start to get to 80 percent, there's an indication something is terribly wrong. . . .

So it would be better if 80 percent of Miami's homicides were the result of people being beaten with baseball bats? :banghead:


The commissioner also said he would sit down with the city attorney to try to draft legislation that would make the sale of assault weapons illegal in Miami.

Good luck with that since there is state preemption of local firearms regulations!

All spoke of the high number of rounds the weapons can fire and their power.

Scaremongering liars. Any weapon can fire an infinite number of rounds if its operator just keeps reloading.

It sounds like these guys would be happier in Chicago or (at least for now) D.C.
 
Good luck with that since there is state preemption of local firearms regulations!

Excellent point.Every attempt to circumvent Florida's strict preemption law(since 1987)has been struck down by the Florida Supreme Court.
Yes ,the same Democratic controlled SC(5-2)that went 4-3 for Al Gore in 2000,
has got its act straight on preemption.
 
i have to wonder that they might be able to pass a law prohibiting the sale inside miami-dade of EBRs but they wouldnt be able to prohibit possession or ownership... preemption covers ownership, but does it cover sale too?
 
Just another fool who will never change his mind until a good citizen with one saves his ass from a bad guy.
 
''This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. There is freedom of the press -- but we have libel laws,'' Timoney said. ``You can craft a bill that still gives people the right to bear arms.''

Ah, darlin' Sean Timoney of Dublin has a way with words. He cast his spell over Philadelphia and now he's doin' it to Miami.

In 2005 his darlin' son Sean Jr. was arrested by the DEA for tryin' to buy 400 lbs. of marijuana, which surely is a situation in which the federal government is in restraint of trade. Sean Sr. doesn't put much stock in the Constitution though.

Sean Sr. is a headknocker for sure and he has proven that he don't like it when ordinary people or the Constitution get in his way. He's makin' Miami just as safe as he made Philadelphia.
 
:uhoh:Up north, Mlps Mn north, they had the worst chief in the history of LE history. This darwin candidate from the 80's arrived from NYC and ridiculed any notion, ridiculed I say, any notion of right to carry while at the same time ridiculing any of us rural folk that suggested there was anything like a gang problem developing in Mlps:what:that might actually threaten the common folk. This man spewed his east coast rhetoric and spread his east coast propaganda and for years it seemed left the citizenry to fend for itself.
This is the man who created the city now ridiculed nationwide as murderapolis, the city were the PD must from time to time call in help from the state PD in patroling the northern sector of the city that no cop will enter after dark:eek:. Thanks Mr Anthony Bouza, your legacy shines on...:barf:
 
I cant wait till SC upholds Heller. I feel we will see a new political wind following. If we have to give up our 2A rights I think anti's should give up their freedom of speech.
 
Why would you give up your 2nd Amendment rights? you can't, as their not given! their affirmed! God gave each and everyone of his children the right to continue their existence in the face of violent opposition. Thats just what the organized anti-2nd Amendment forces want to hear! And anyway, after you give up your right to bear your arms, they'll give up giving you any other affirmation of any kind.........
 
I'm a police officer not too far from Miami and I can tell you guys that Chief Timoney and his ilk do not speak for me or for many of my colleagues.

There is no need to rehash the litany of the reasons that the AWB was wrong and completely ineffective but I can tell you, Miami was no safer under that ban than it was before or since. Maybe we should instead consider an all out ban on ****bags who hurt people.

For what its worth, I'm a cop and am a vigorous proponent of the 2nd Amendment and of an armed citizenry. If a weapon is good enough in my hands to protect me from the real zombies of our society, then its good enough in civilian hands too.

Maybe the Chief should be replaced with someone who was raised in a free state. To hell with Timoney and his brand of policing.
 
Note: This is not bashing Law Enforcement. They have a very difficult, dangerous job and I always respect their efforts and courage. I honestly believe that the vast majority do their job well and to the best of their ability.

I think it's interesting that politicans and heads of law enforcement agencies are calling for more restrictions/bans on firearms possessions. They know they have no obligations to protect each and every one of us. Do they know that laws preventing law abiding citizens from owning/possessing/CCW only make us unable to protect ourselves?

Most of us know that we cannot depend on laws alone to insure our safety. I always laugh when "anti gun" people tell me that the police are here to protect us. I use this line: "Try asking your local police department to escort you to your car after work or shopping. Let me know how they respond to your request."
 
thebaldguy has it right. Make no mistake folks. We as cops cannot protect you. Our very existence holds back the tidal wave of violent crime that we have the potential for but on an individual basis, we are just like fireman. We put out the fire after it has started and something has already been burned. An armed and responsible citizenry is an essential partner to the police.
 
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His travel budget didn't seem too out of control in the past few years, especially for someone who's in a leadership role.

This sounds more like a cry of defeat against the outcome of poverty and tough policies against the illicit drug trade.
 
John Timoney is at it again...



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340748,00.html

Police Opting for More Firepower to Battle Better-Armed Criminals
Sunday , March 23, 2008


The 30-year-old mother of three jumped from her disabled SUV following a chase, holding a gun to her head to keep police back. Officers fired a stun gun but the nonlethal weapon was foiled by her heavy coat.

When she pointed her handgun at the two nearest deputies, officers switched to assault rifles, hitting Sarah Marie Stanfield of Boise eight times with bullets designed to break apart on impact to increase internal damage. She died last fall of multiple gunshot wounds.

Some jurisdictions across the U.S. have been arming rank-and-file officers with high-powered assault rifles for a decade or more. But law enforcement officials say that trend has accelerated in the last year because of greater numbers of shootouts, standoffs in which police were outgunned, rising officer deaths and mass shootings of civilians by heavily armed gunmen.

"If you get into a fire fight, you want to be the winner," said Scott Knight, police chief of Chaska, Minn., and chairman of the firearms committee for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. "Our departments are moving to those weapons out of necessity across the country."

Chaska, 25 miles southwest of Minneapolis, is a town of only about 24,000, but earlier this month Knight ordered the department's first 10 assault rifles, each with two 30-round magazines.

Only patchwork information is available on how many other law enforcement agencies are outfitting deputies and patrol officers with assault rifles, the kind of firepower once reserved for specialized SWAT teams. But from Chaska to Miami to college campuses, agencies are acquiring AR-15s or M-4s, both close relatives of the military's M-16. The rifles fire bullets with enough velocity to penetrate some types of body armor and have greater accuracy at longer range than handguns.

Last year, Miami Police Chief John Timoney authorized his patrol officers to carry AR-15s because of a rise in assault rifle use by criminals.

"This is a national problem. Police agencies all over the U.S. are going to bigger weapons," said Timoney, whose agency now has about 50 AR-15s and expects to get 150 more. He blames the 2004 expiration of the federal ban on assault weapons for the escalation of heavily armed violence.

In 2007, according to preliminary numbers compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 69 officers were shot to death, up from 52 in 2006 and the most in five years. Last year included six shootings where two or more officers were killed in the same event, fund spokesman Kevin Morison said.

"There just seems to be a more brazen, cold-blooded killers out there," he said.

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence said it understands the moves to assault weapons. "Police officers need to be able to defend themselves and the rest of us, and they need the weapons to do so," said spokesman Peter Hamm.

Law enforcement officials say the trend toward issuing assault rifles to regular patrol officers started in Los Angeles after a 1997 shootout following a botched bank robbery. Two heavily armed men wore body armor that stopped 9 mm bullets fired by the handguns carried by police, 11 of whom were injured along with six civilians. The two robbers were eventually killed. The Los Angeles Police Department now issues AR-15s.

Two years later, police began rethinking a strategy of securing areas and waiting for negotiators and SWAT teams after two teens killing 13 people and wounded two dozen others at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

Campus police at Arizona's three large public universities are being armed with assault rifles. Officials say the weapons will enable officers to shoot at targets at the ends of long hallways or atop tall buildings.

In the Idaho case, an investigation cleared the deputies earlier this month, noting they initially risked their lives by attempting to use nonlethal means before firing their assault rifles.

"Any time that we perceive great bodily harm or death may result, we may take action," said Ada County Sheriff's Lt. Scott Johnson.
 
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