Police Pistol Combat Shooting
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Jim Watson
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PPC is run by NRA and they seem pretty strict keeping it to LE only.
Can’t have unauthorized personnel shooting at humanoid targets, you know.
I think reserve officers and deputies are acceptable.
I shot it years ago under PMA and got in on the basis of one of those honorary deputy cards.
I don’t know what kind of wildcat “style” matches there might be.
Can’t have unauthorized personnel shooting at humanoid targets, you know.
I think reserve officers and deputies are acceptable.
I shot it years ago under PMA and got in on the basis of one of those honorary deputy cards.
I don’t know what kind of wildcat “style” matches there might be.
Jim Watson
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Sure, nothing to keep you from getting some B27s and shooting on your own.
Somewhere here is a list of various LE qualifications that might be interesting. I’ll try to dig it up.
Somewhere here is a list of various LE qualifications that might be interesting. I’ll try to dig it up.
Coyote3855
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USPSA and IDPA are options you might consider depending on your objectives. Both are available near me.
If you find a PPC match near you, just show up. Who knows, they might let you shoot.
Jim Watson
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Yes and I have shot PPC, IPSC, IDPA, and USPSA and enjoyed the challenges, but they are testing different things.
The B27 target is big but the ten ring is a 4x6" oval, so you are shooting at the middle of a black blob. Sights were made to allow holding on the head as though you were aiming at a bullseye and drop the shots into the center of the torso.
It was printed by putting the ISU 25 meter rapid fire rings on the silhouette of the Colt K-D target.
Here is a collection of agency qualification courses.
Many of them can be shot solo on an ordinary range, but you might have to leave the dash to the next firing line out.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...YQLa8LnfJF_jB7jqUc/mobilebasic#h.61kwbeyp70qd
ADKWOODSMAN
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Back when I ran Bullseye and a CO from the prison ran the PPC they would let me try the heavy barrel match guns. We changed from Bullseye to PPC every hour. We are a small club so 25 shooters all day was a lot. The shoots were NRA Approved. Once a year we would let the Bullseye guys shoot the PPC with their .22 match guns, high scores.
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My local club has Bullseye League on Mondays and PPC league on Wednesdays Sept-May. Most weeks I shoot at both. Getting to the point I much prefer PPC due to the holster and the different positions. I am not good shooting weak hand, and even after years of practice I often miss the entire paper! Still, it's fun and very different from Bullseye league.
Highly recommended if your club offers it (I shoot a S&W Model 1905 with a 5" barrel, 38 Special, 158gr LSWC and Bullseye powder)
Highly recommended if your club offers it (I shoot a S&W Model 1905 with a 5" barrel, 38 Special, 158gr LSWC and Bullseye powder)
Jim Watson
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I am glad to hear somebody is letting American Commoners shoot PPC. There was once an offshoot organization for "civilian" PPC but it did not last long.
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DId you find anything? I find bulls eye BORING. But many LOVE it.
Our club has been shooting PPC for years, indoors all winter and outside in the summer. The scores are published on the readyroom wall and awards are given and scheduled dinners for celebration eaten.
They are not sacntioned by anyone but our club. Newcomers are welcome and classes are offered. It can't be the only club in America doing this. Hope you find it.
Our club has been shooting PPC for years, indoors all winter and outside in the summer. The scores are published on the readyroom wall and awards are given and scheduled dinners for celebration eaten.
They are not sacntioned by anyone but our club. Newcomers are welcome and classes are offered. It can't be the only club in America doing this. Hope you find it.
I looked up some of the courses of fire and tried a couple, specifically the service auto, as that's what I have. I only did the shorter range versions and due to our range rules couldn't follow them exactly. It was pretty fun though and I definitely will do more. I tried a drill where I lock the slide back on a loaded magazine and lay it on the table. Then I hit the timer for 3 seconds, pick it up, drop the slide and shoot three shots at 5 yards. Our range won't allow firing from a draw. I probably put just shy of 50 rounds through paper, though not all landed inside the silhouette. I was testing my hand loads for my M&P9 as well and ran out, so I haven't tried any more.
It's been crowded too, and I don't know if that sort of thing would be frowned upon at my range. Technically, the rapid fire of bullseye is too fast (5 shots in 10 seconds), but they tolerate me doing it because I can generally keep all the shots in my lane. They have a 3 second rule for shot speed. It's more strictly enforced on the rifle range, but I don't want to test my luck. I did not find any actual competitions that would let me compete, though I didn't try very hard.
It's been crowded too, and I don't know if that sort of thing would be frowned upon at my range. Technically, the rapid fire of bullseye is too fast (5 shots in 10 seconds), but they tolerate me doing it because I can generally keep all the shots in my lane. They have a 3 second rule for shot speed. It's more strictly enforced on the rifle range, but I don't want to test my luck. I did not find any actual competitions that would let me compete, though I didn't try very hard.
Jim Watson
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Where are you located?
USPSA and IDPA have club locator functions and Practiscore has ranges and matches.
USPSA and IDPA have club locator functions and Practiscore has ranges and matches.
Near Greenville, South Carolina. There are a couple of the gun clubs around that do weekly and monthly IDPA and/or USPSA meets. I haven't really looked into those though. I'm loading a big batch of my minimum charge 9mm loads and may run through a full PPC course of fire. I kinda started there just due to the apparent difficulty. I have low expectations for my scores. Having practiced, but not competed in, Bullseye, the accuracy part doesn't really bother me, but the speed portion is quite new. The perceived bigger target helps too. If you want to hit the 10 and X ring it's not really that much bigger. However, it looks better to see that big green silhouette instead of that 5.5" black circle.
Jim Watson
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PPC time limits are pretty generous, 12 shots in 20 seconds at 7 and 15 yards, with a reload, never more than 6 in the gun. 18 in 90 at 25, three positions, two reloads, 24 in 2:45 at 50, four positions, three reloads. Also 12 in 35 at 25. About NRA Timed and Rapid pace.
The Cooper Era IPSC Match 6 was PPC in half the time.
The Cooper Era IPSC Match 6 was PPC in half the time.
Well that was eye opening. I shot an approximation of the Service Auto from the NRA online rule book. I didn't have barricades, nor could I kneel and still shoot over the bench, so I shot the whole thing standing. The range got crowded, so I also shot the initial 3-yard portion at 7 yards. That way I didn't have to call for a cold range as often.
One thing I learned is I start dropping shots low as I pick up speed from what I'm used to shooting. I dropped one low at 15 yards off the target and a humbling 4 off the bottom at 25 yards. This is definitely something I want to keep trying though. It's way harder than it sounds. It also gives me a reason to shoot my M&P9 instead of my Canik.
I used to think the Canik was more accurate, and it likely is. However, shooting today I see two things. As the speed picks up, the mechanical accuracy matters less and less. Also, I loaded two more rounds at 25 and shot two melon shots just to see if I could do it with this pistol and both hit. This was mostly out of frustration at missing the whole target four times.
One thing I learned is I start dropping shots low as I pick up speed from what I'm used to shooting. I dropped one low at 15 yards off the target and a humbling 4 off the bottom at 25 yards. This is definitely something I want to keep trying though. It's way harder than it sounds. It also gives me a reason to shoot my M&P9 instead of my Canik.
I used to think the Canik was more accurate, and it likely is. However, shooting today I see two things. As the speed picks up, the mechanical accuracy matters less and less. Also, I loaded two more rounds at 25 and shot two melon shots just to see if I could do it with this pistol and both hit. This was mostly out of frustration at missing the whole target four times.
Jim Watson
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I hardly ever see a B27 at the rental range without head shots; even though that would be a miss in PPC.
I just recently saw an advertisement for a B27 derivative target with scoring rings in the head.
It's likely a combination of tightening your grip and slapping the trigger
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I shot PPC, decades ago, with a local club that didn't care if you were law enforcement. I really enjoyed it; the "run and gun" games place too much emphasis on round count (along with huge targets right up close) for my taste, and PPC is/was much more about accuracy. It didn't hurt that I was and am in love with the heavy-barreled PPC revolvers and the pipsqueak .38 wadcutter loads. The gun got stolen around the same time the club decided to drop PPC (which had always been a sideline for them) in favor of NRA Action/Bianchi Cup stuff, and I haven't shot a match since. if I had the opportunity again, though, I'd jump at it. It was a lot of fun and I never quite got it all out of my system.
A couple of interesting articles:
americanhandgunner.com
(The latter link is a pdf. Scrolling down to page 104 gives classification info, which allows a fellow to figure out where he stands after he's done a bit of shooting on the B-27. Page 84 begins the discussion of scoring - and yes, anything outside of the scoring rings is a zero.)
A couple of interesting articles:
The NRA PPC Course Of Fire - American Handgunner
The term PPC has several historical variations on a theme. Practical Pistol Course, Police Practical Course and Police Pistol Combat are all cited.
americanhandgunner.com
(The latter link is a pdf. Scrolling down to page 104 gives classification info, which allows a fellow to figure out where he stands after he's done a bit of shooting on the B-27. Page 84 begins the discussion of scoring - and yes, anything outside of the scoring rings is a zero.)
Bianchi Cup isn't really that much different than PPC...well, the mover can be a bit challenging. It is very much an accuracy game. I even rememeber when heavy barreled revolvers ruled that match
How big are the B-27 targets? Did I use the wrong target? Mine are marked BC-27, like these:
www.birchwoodcasey.com
Eze-Scorer™12 x 18 BC-27 Target, 100 Targets
www.birchwoodcasey.com
