Possibly anti- gun store
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bonza
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The big Washington Arms Collectors gun shows here in the Seattle area are strictly no loaded guns OR magazines, concealed or otherwise. There's a big sign when going in stating a Zero-Tolerance policy along with a bullet trap at which to unload. Also all guns have to have one of those plastic tie-down thingies on them to make them 'inoperable'.
mgkdrgn
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Generally such signs have to be very specific in their appearance, wording and placement to mean diddly squat to CC holders. If that sign didn't meet those standards (and you can be pretty sure the owner of a gun store would know what those standards are), then that sign was to keep Joe Sixpack from carrying a loaded whatever into his store and having an ND, not to send legit CC holders packing.
I think you should have talked to the owner to get a better understanding of the sign.
I know of a gun shop with that exact same sign. I asked the guys working there if the sign was for everyone...i.e., CHL/CCW holders or were they referring to people that were bringing in weapons to trade, sell, have repaired, etc. I was told that the sign was for the latter and not for CHL/CCW holders. They said I wouldn't believe the # of people that would bring in loaded guns to sell or have repaired...
So maybe your guy was referring to something like this shop and not actually referring to the licensed concealed carry permit guys/gals.
I know of a gun shop with that exact same sign. I asked the guys working there if the sign was for everyone...i.e., CHL/CCW holders or were they referring to people that were bringing in weapons to trade, sell, have repaired, etc. I was told that the sign was for the latter and not for CHL/CCW holders. They said I wouldn't believe the # of people that would bring in loaded guns to sell or have repaired...
So maybe your guy was referring to something like this shop and not actually referring to the licensed concealed carry permit guys/gals.
Treo
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I think it's a little ridiculous to assume that a business that makes its livelyhood from selling guns is anti-gun but that's just me.
As for those signs they're usually pretty poorly worded. I saw one at Sportsman's Warehouse that said "All firearms must be unloaded and checked at customer service". Now silly me, when I see the modifier "all" in front of the noun "firearms" I assume that it means "all" The people at SW looked at me when I was nuts when I asked and told me I should have assumed that it didn't apply to CCW.
Wouldn't it be easier to clearly word the sign instead of writing it in secret cc code?
As for those signs they're usually pretty poorly worded. I saw one at Sportsman's Warehouse that said "All firearms must be unloaded and checked at customer service". Now silly me, when I see the modifier "all" in front of the noun "firearms" I assume that it means "all" The people at SW looked at me when I was nuts when I asked and told me I should have assumed that it didn't apply to CCW.
Wouldn't it be easier to clearly word the sign instead of writing it in secret cc code?
jerkface11
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They have the right to say you can't carry a gun in their store. Of course you also have the right to carry your money right back out.
If it were an insurance issue, then every business that sells firearms would have massive signs and someone to greet you at the door (like Wal-mart). I think that for a business to suggest that everyone, regardless of their training and/or license, is incompetent when it comes to firearms handling is BS. An idiot with a gun will still be an idiot, sign or no sign. What makes the business owner think that just because a person with a concealed carry permit will somehow all of a sudden become a danger when they walk through the front door of their business? That the permit holder is ok in every other business that they enter throughout the day, but walking through their door all of a sudden makes them dangerous? just silly, imo. I wouldn't do business there either.
TREO: What is your opinion about the "nobody under 18 unless supervised by an adult" at Specialy Sports in CS?
TREO: What is your opinion about the "nobody under 18 unless supervised by an adult" at Specialy Sports in CS?
yeah but in gun stores there are things like holsters and other gun gagets... you know a person might deside to take thier gun out and try some of those. It would not be the 1st time some one had a ND( AD are very, very rare) while trying out a holster.
Ever had some one just walk up to you, reach into thier pocket/ purse, pull out a hand gun point it towards you? Trust me it happends ALOT in gun stores. There is no malice intended... just people that don't know better. Its a very freaky feeling.
Ever had some one just walk up to you, reach into thier pocket/ purse, pull out a hand gun point it towards you? Trust me it happends ALOT in gun stores. There is no malice intended... just people that don't know better. Its a very freaky feeling.
Treo
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I have two opinons:
1.) Don't let the baldheaded guy W/ the glasses wait on you he's kind of a jerk. get Lawrence or the Blonde chick.
As for the sign under 18 needs an adult 18 is an adult. they did that to keep the little gangsta wanna bees out of the store.
I would not mess around in SS, 90% of the help CCs.
I asked the owner what his policy was on CC once and he looked at me like I was nuts and said " I couldn't care less just don't pull it out"
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Kind of Blued
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There's one near me that I did a couple of FFL transfers through. When I got there, I noticed a sign that said "No loaded firearms".
I'm going to call them and ask about it before I do any more business with them. That's a no-go in my book.
I'm going to call them and ask about it before I do any more business with them. That's a no-go in my book.
Andy-Y
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The local shop I frequent is in the Detroit metro area, it is also the place I took my safety/ccw course. Every employee of this shop open carries. When we took our safety course we were actually encouraged to CC into their store. However, it was made clear that concealed means concealed, and never to reach for a concealed pistol, because, well, you would probably get shot!
That said, the sign on the door says something to the effect of "No handling of loaded weapons in the store" and another that says "unholstering a concealed weapon in this facility will be met with deadly force!" So if you want new sights on your gun, best to bring it in a case, unloaded. Otherwise keep it in your pants LOL. I like these policies, and think they work just fine.
That said, the sign on the door says something to the effect of "No handling of loaded weapons in the store" and another that says "unholstering a concealed weapon in this facility will be met with deadly force!" So if you want new sights on your gun, best to bring it in a case, unloaded. Otherwise keep it in your pants LOL. I like these policies, and think they work just fine.
The Lone Haranguer
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An anti-gun gun shop? That would be a bit oxymoronic, would it not? It would however be reasonable to not want customers to blow holes in things or people.
I suspect these signs are meant for when you are taking a gun in for sale, trade, repair or whatever and it is to be handled in the store. My CCW stays in the holster, concealed, thus the subject never comes up. What they really should say is something like, "All firearms are to be cased or holstered and may not be uncased, unholstered or handled except at the direction of a ______ employee."
I suspect these signs are meant for when you are taking a gun in for sale, trade, repair or whatever and it is to be handled in the store. My CCW stays in the holster, concealed, thus the subject never comes up. What they really should say is something like, "All firearms are to be cased or holstered and may not be uncased, unholstered or handled except at the direction of a ______ employee."
I put gun dealers with no weapons signs at their front doors right down there with drug dealers who sell drugs to kids but won't let their on kids do 'em.
Either that or the guy is a moron who just can't express himself well with the written word. Darwin has a way of taking care of morons.
Either that or the guy is a moron who just can't express himself well with the written word. Darwin has a way of taking care of morons.
wyocarp
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I would inform them and walk out. Any gun store that doesn't support gun rights isn't a store to do business with!
I was traveling yesterday and stopped in a gun/outdoor store yesterday evening in my usual travel attire (twin glock 20's). Since it was nice, I didn't have a jacket on and just open carried, something I do a lot. I got immediate attention from the store manager who asked jokingly if I had my double ccw. My wife commented that I was carrying one for her and we both mentioned that indeed I didn't need the double ccw because I was open carrying. We talked for a couple of minutes before I moved on and proceeded to buy something and leave. Had he made an issue of it, I would have just left after telling the reason for my leaving without spending any money.
I was traveling yesterday and stopped in a gun/outdoor store yesterday evening in my usual travel attire (twin glock 20's). Since it was nice, I didn't have a jacket on and just open carried, something I do a lot. I got immediate attention from the store manager who asked jokingly if I had my double ccw. My wife commented that I was carrying one for her and we both mentioned that indeed I didn't need the double ccw because I was open carrying. We talked for a couple of minutes before I moved on and proceeded to buy something and leave. Had he made an issue of it, I would have just left after telling the reason for my leaving without spending any money.
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One reason perhaps.
Insurance company Lawyers.
Insurance company Lawyers.
Ala Dan
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Att: Pappy My Friend-
Drive a little further down I-59 pass Birmingham, and enter the tiny
town of Bessemer. Take exit 112, to 18th street- turn left (one way)
and proceed to 3rd Avenue. You will see the Jefferson County court
house while stopped at the traffic light. Take a left in front of the
court house, go over to 20th street and take a right hand turn.
Proceed to the corner of 20th street and 2nd Avenue and you will
find me here:
Simmons Sporting Goods
2001-2nd Ave North
Bessemer, AL 35020
PX: (205) 425-4720 or (205) 426-0490
We welcome all holders of a CCW license and their weapons~!
Drive a little further down I-59 pass Birmingham, and enter the tiny
town of Bessemer. Take exit 112, to 18th street- turn left (one way)
and proceed to 3rd Avenue. You will see the Jefferson County court
house while stopped at the traffic light. Take a left in front of the
court house, go over to 20th street and take a right hand turn.
Proceed to the corner of 20th street and 2nd Avenue and you will
find me here:
Simmons Sporting Goods
2001-2nd Ave North
Bessemer, AL 35020
PX: (205) 425-4720 or (205) 426-0490
We welcome all holders of a CCW license and their weapons~!
Yoda
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It only makes sense...
A "no loaded guns" policy is a reasonable and responsible one.
The gun shop owner has no way of knowing which customers know how to safely handle a gun and which ones don't. I was in one gun shop in the Florida Panhandle where a customer was holding a Glock at waist level and pulling the trigger over and over as he swept it across everyone in the store, the whole time commenting on how smooth he thought the trigger was. Another time, at a pawn shop in Niceville, a customer was twirling a Makarov like a Hollywood cowboy, then holding it to his belly, upside-down, fingers unterlaced behind the grip, pulling the trigger over and over with his thumb.
Given the chance that some numb-nut will walk through the door, gun shop operators really have no choice but to ask people to enter unloaded.
The same holds true for gun shows. Wasn't it just a few years ago that someone brought a loaded pistol into an Atlanta gun show, and he put the gun down on a table for a moment, and someone thouhght it was for sale and picked it up to try the trigger? Didn't that result in some kid taking a hit?
Lighten up. If it were your gun shop, you'd feel the same way, and you'd enforce the same policy.
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A "no loaded guns" policy is a reasonable and responsible one.
The gun shop owner has no way of knowing which customers know how to safely handle a gun and which ones don't. I was in one gun shop in the Florida Panhandle where a customer was holding a Glock at waist level and pulling the trigger over and over as he swept it across everyone in the store, the whole time commenting on how smooth he thought the trigger was. Another time, at a pawn shop in Niceville, a customer was twirling a Makarov like a Hollywood cowboy, then holding it to his belly, upside-down, fingers unterlaced behind the grip, pulling the trigger over and over with his thumb.
Given the chance that some numb-nut will walk through the door, gun shop operators really have no choice but to ask people to enter unloaded.
The same holds true for gun shows. Wasn't it just a few years ago that someone brought a loaded pistol into an Atlanta gun show, and he put the gun down on a table for a moment, and someone thouhght it was for sale and picked it up to try the trigger? Didn't that result in some kid taking a hit?
Lighten up. If it were your gun shop, you'd feel the same way, and you'd enforce the same policy.
- - - Yoda
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Treo
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There's a store out east of Colorado Springs called "Dragon Man's" that has an 8X4 plywood sign over the door ( the building is surrounded W barbed wire & if I remember right concertina) that says "Anyone entering entering this building W/ a weapon will be assumed to be attemping a robbery" .
Now I understand that this place is mall ninja heaven and most of his clientel is people that have been kicked out of every other range in town. But that sign is just a little over the top.
He has good prices on guns but I refuse to ever set foot on his property again.
Now I understand that this place is mall ninja heaven and most of his clientel is people that have been kicked out of every other range in town. But that sign is just a little over the top.
He has good prices on guns but I refuse to ever set foot on his property again.
Double Naught Spy
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You are wrong. They do support the 2A. Nothing about the sign is anti 2A. They are not precluding you from keeping or bearing arms at all. So no infringement has occurred.
Nothing in the 2A stipulates whether or not arms are to be loaded.
Ahhh... reasonable - yeah that's the ticket.YODA said:
Now where have I heard that word before? Hmmm...
OH YEAH! That's a favorite buzz word of our friends over at the brady bunch HQ.
Yeah - it is - if one assumes that everyone who is lawfully carrying a firearm is really an ignorant dolt who has an ND every time he whips it out.YODS said:
OR worse yet one assumes we're all closet Rambos.
Here's a clue for ya. When CCW passed the streets of America didn't run RED with blood, there aren't duels on the highways and the wild wild west was over a 100 years ago and still hasn't returned.
Get IT? We don't need our own reinforcing the inane attitudes of the antis by posting silly no guns signs at the doors of those who sell guns. If they're so darn fearful maybe they should be florists.
M203Sniper
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"No Loaded Firearms"
I translate that differently than
"No Guns Allowed"
Next time you go in, make sure you don't have one in the chamber. Good to Go.
I translate that differently than
"No Guns Allowed"
Next time you go in, make sure you don't have one in the chamber. Good to Go.
wyocarp
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Maybe for Obama followers, but not for me.
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