Post AWB, will LEO mags be seen as less desirable
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I'd think they would sell for a bit less than unmarked new mags. How much who knows. Even now I'm seeing "pre-orders" being offered for full cap G-17 mags for $24 and guys still trying to sell used pre-bans for $70+ 
Personally I would not like the idea of carrying one just because of the extreme off chance of being noticed my an LEO who isn't "up on the law" and the fact it had expired.
Sure you would be in the right and not going prison or anything, but could conceivably cause some "uncomfortable moments" while they figure out what's going on...
JMHO and I'm the sort who like to keep my life simple as possible.
Personally I would not like the idea of carrying one just because of the extreme off chance of being noticed my an LEO who isn't "up on the law" and the fact it had expired.
Sure you would be in the right and not going prison or anything, but could conceivably cause some "uncomfortable moments" while they figure out what's going on...
JMHO and I'm the sort who like to keep my life simple as possible.
My thoughts exactly, I think they will be fine for range use but I will not use them for CCW. I think it could be a period of months until supply equals demand and with the Nov election and a new POTUS in Jan there will be enough uncertainies to keep prices up. CDNN has LEO mags for $12, my guess is new mags will be $30.
goalkeeper91
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Hey! What happened?
Forgive my ignorance here, as I was out of the country for the past week, but did the AWB die? Does that mean I can get new hi-cap mags for my Glock without paying $75 and up for them? What happened? And God bless it if it did!
Forgive my ignorance here, as I was out of the country for the past week, but did the AWB die? Does that mean I can get new hi-cap mags for my Glock without paying $75 and up for them? What happened? And God bless it if it did!
Landric
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"Forgive my ignorance here, as I was out of the country for the past week, but did the AWB die? Does that mean I can get new hi-cap mags for my Glock without paying $75 and up for them? What happened? And God bless it if it did!"
Not yet. It is due to expire on Sept. 13th, 2004. It has little chance of seeing the light of day, as the house is generally against renewal, and there are only something like 14 days left on the legislative calendar between now and the experation.
So, hopefully it will die, but we still have about two months to wait. Some dealers are taking pre-orders for standard cap mags, and there are some group buys going on for LE only mags which will be legal for everyone if and when the ban dies.
Not yet. It is due to expire on Sept. 13th, 2004. It has little chance of seeing the light of day, as the house is generally against renewal, and there are only something like 14 days left on the legislative calendar between now and the experation.
So, hopefully it will die, but we still have about two months to wait. Some dealers are taking pre-orders for standard cap mags, and there are some group buys going on for LE only mags which will be legal for everyone if and when the ban dies.
armoredman
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I would hope that 30 years from now they will be rare collectors items.....
JesusCow
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I recently sold two pre-ban/unmarked factory 12 round USP .45 mags for $100
I figured, "They won't be worth this much at the end of the year."
Then I saw factory 10 round mags for $50 and thought, "Hmm, maybe I shoulda just kept them."
Then I noticed an ad in Shotgun News for www.promagindustries.com who makes them for ~$30. Ain't bad...
I figured, "They won't be worth this much at the end of the year."
Then I saw factory 10 round mags for $50 and thought, "Hmm, maybe I shoulda just kept them."
Then I noticed an ad in Shotgun News for www.promagindustries.com who makes them for ~$30. Ain't bad...
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Kamicosmos
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Um....if it's marked "LEO Only" it's LEO Only, regardless of whether or not the ban sunsets.
GunGeek
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Please explain your thinking on this, everything I've heard/read up to this point says otherwise. What law would be used to inforce this?
Ohen Cepel
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I don't want anything marked LEO. Even if the law goes away and you can have hi-caps doesn't mean you can have LEO. You can't have a LEO automatic rifle.
May be legal to have, but don't want the hassle.
Why not just get the unmarked ones and avoid the "stupid factor".
May be legal to have, but don't want the hassle.
Why not just get the unmarked ones and avoid the "stupid factor".
GunGeek
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No you can't, but then the AWB has nothing to do with an automatic rifle, and the law that does affect this has no requirment to be marked LEO ONLY so it wouldn't be marked in the first place.
Not saying I'd run around looking for LEO mags, but I wouldn't turn down a deal on one. Then again I hope everyone thinks like you so there are plenty of great deals for me.
Kamicosmos
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If something is tagged as LEO Only, it was sold to a dealer to be sold at a reduced cost to LEO. This means there is paperwork tied to that item, presumably submitted to the ATF, making those items non-transferable to non-LEO people.
I don't know the specific law, but feel free to dig through the ATF's website to find it. As for me, I'll stay away from anything that says LEO Only unless I'm wearing a badge...
SLCDave
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You can buy ammo labled "LEO"...
LiquidTension
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Dave has a good point. I have several boxes of LEO marked ammo that I bought over the counter. The difference could be that there is no law concerning LEO ammo (unless it's new production "armor piercing" ammo), but there is a law (AWB) concerning mags. LEO marked ammo is marked that way for marketing/PR purposes, not because the ammo is restricted. Same thing with Remington PSS rifles - some shops won't sell them to non LEOs, some will.
What was my point?
What was my point?
Serpico
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Ammo marked "Law Enforcement Ammunition" is okay unless it says the world "only" like on the magazines...I'm sure ammo makers like putting law enforcement labels on their ammo thinking it will be more desireable to tactical mined civies....
Rx7Boricua
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The 94 AWB, which made these LEO marked magazines legal only for law enforcement officers to possess, will be repealed on 9/13/04. This means that after 9/13/04, it will be like the law never existed in the first place. The AWB of 94 basically made it illegal for a non-LEO to possess restricted LEO magazines. Once this law is no longer active (after 9/13/04), I don't see exactly which law will be broken, unless of course, you live in a state which has their own AWB.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
The excise tax argument does not apply to the secondary market since the tax itself is not applicable to the secondary (used) market. The fact is that you can buy "LEO ONLY" marked semi-auto rifles, pistols, ammo, socks, shoes, canteens, hats etc all day long and not even come close to violating a law. And if/when the ban sunsetts magazines will be no different.
Now as to the possible value of the present day "LEO" magazines. Considering the quantity of armchair "cops" (they may be "operators" now actually) I think that your savvy gunshop owner will be charging +%20 on all things marked LEO only just cause that makes them "better".
Take a look at the equipment exchange on ar15.com to get an idea of how this works.
Now as to the possible value of the present day "LEO" magazines. Considering the quantity of armchair "cops" (they may be "operators" now actually) I think that your savvy gunshop owner will be charging +%20 on all things marked LEO only just cause that makes them "better".
Take a look at the equipment exchange on ar15.com to get an idea of how this works.
Dave Markowitz
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To build on this point, note how there's no problem is selling law enforcement surplus firearms (non-Class III stuff anyway) to the general public. E.g., all thos police trade-in wheelguns, or the rack full of Ruger PC-4s I saw at a local gun shop a month or so ago.
It's a non-issue, IMHO.
grendelbane
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If it was manufactured early enough, there is no problem buying surplus law enforcement NFA items. Of course, the proper paperwork and transfer tax must be taken care of.
The excise tax is collected once. If the purchaser is exempt, as in LE, then the tax is waived. If such items are then sold as surplus, they are used, not new, and no excise tax is owed. Consider how many ex-LE firearms are now in civilian hands.
stevelyn
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The only reason mags were stamped with the LE/Govt stamp was to identify new mags manufactured after the law went into effect. LE/GOVT stamped mags required agency letterhead for individual officers to obtain from dealers. The only catch was that once you got them, they were yours forever unless you turned them over to the authorizing agency. You could still possess them even if you left govt/le service. You just couldn't legally transfer them to a third person.
OBTW if you don't like the govt/leo stamp on your mags, nothing prevents you from whippin' out the ol' Dremel tool or benchgrinder and doing a mod on the offensive print.
Screw the hassle factor. I want a whole stack of LE/GOVT mags for both my Glock and Daewoo.
OBTW if you don't like the govt/leo stamp on your mags, nothing prevents you from whippin' out the ol' Dremel tool or benchgrinder and doing a mod on the offensive print.
Screw the hassle factor. I want a whole stack of LE/GOVT mags for both my Glock and Daewoo.
bogie
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Collector's item.
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