Post sizing rifle brass how do you get lube off your cases?

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Folks,
My normal procedure:
1. Universal decap my cases
2. Wet tumble with SS media, Dawn and lemi shine
3. Dry cases in case dryer
4. Lube cases with Hornady one shot case lube
5. Size cases

After sizing I have been hand wiping cases to get lube off with a rag. kind of a PITA... What do you folks do to get the lube off? Do you wet tumble again?
Thanks,
Dom
 
Here is my process:
1. Wet tumble WITHOUT SS media, just Dawn or Armor all Wash and wax and lemishine.
2. Lube with Lee lube or similar.
3. Resize/Decap
4. Tumble with Armor All and Lemishine.

Removing the pins takes less work, and I can run 3 batches at the same time, just to clean the outside of the case. It works almost as well as it does with the pins, but does not clean the inside of the case. I can also use Dawn there since I am not worried about tarnishing, and I am going to lube them up anyway.
 
I think your process is great, you might alter the sequence: 2,3,1 and/or 4.

Just my $0.02

Dan
 
Post sizing/trimming with SSTL media. Knocks out the deburring steps as well. I only pre tumble range brass if its filthy, and thats no pins.
 
Spray with One Shot
Size
Nothing new here....

I use a WFT to trim. Holding the sized cases is difficult to impossible with One Shot on them. If their is enough lube on the case to prevent it from getting stuck in the die then there's enough that it will spin in your hand using the WFT so I tumble with fine walnut media (#24 won't get in the flash holes) for 30 mins or so if it's a bunch of cases. If it's just a few I will sometimes open a old bath towel spray the towel with some type of aerosol solvent like non-chlorinated brake cleaner and rub/roll the cases around in the towel. I don't spray the towel to the point of saturation, just dampen it. Any excess evaporates off the brass quickly. Neither of these methods do I like but I'm not sure what other way to do it. I'm watching as well.
David
 
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I don't wet tumble but this is what i do.

1) wash in water, dawn, lemishine cause most stuffs range pickup-clears the dirt and grime out of them.
2)dry brass on towel outside for a few days.
3)lube, resize/deprime.
4)dry tumble to get lube off for about an hour.
5)rinse to get dry media dust off.
 
If you really need to wipe or wash it off your likely using too much. A tip for using one shot, don't spray your cases in a loading block. Put about 50 cases in a 1 gallon ice cream pail and shake them as you spray for about 2 or 3 seconds, then continue shaking for 10 seconds so that the brass rubs against each other and evenly distributes the lube. You will find that you only need to use about 1/2 to 1/3rd as much as if you sprayed them in a loading block. After they sit for a day the one shot will have dried up and you really can't feel it on the brass anymore. After refining this technique I now use one shot on everything I load from 223 to 30-06 and 45/70 and I use very very little with no sticky cases.
 
I thought leaving it on there could cause feed problems, bolt thrust, and corrosion.

Doesn't for me i guess. I tried some Lyman spray lube and that stuff was horrible. All my cases tarnished badly overnight, it smelled terrible, and it had the lubricational properties of root beer.
 
I thought leaving it on there could cause feed problems, bolt thrust, and corrosion.
The lubrication could only help with feeding, most lubricants are non corrosive and also prevent corrosion.

If a firearm has enough pressure to stretch a brass case or fire form a new one or even separate a case head, all without lube, what would a little case lube do to help this process? Very little. In fact, more powder works better to disassemble an action, than more lubrication does.

I leave the One Shot or Imperial on. My cartridges are all in a box and do not accumulate debris from the ride to the chamber and back to the box.
 
The lubrication could only help with feeding, most lubricants are non corrosive and also prevent corrosion.

If a firearm has enough pressure to stretch a brass case or fire form a new one or even separate a case head, all without lube, what would a little case lube do to help this process? Very little. In fact, more powder works better to disassemble an action, than more lubrication does.

I leave the One Shot or Imperial on. My cartridges are all in a box and do not accumulate debris from the ride to the chamber and back to the box.
I like your thinking!
Dom
 
I thought leaving it on there could cause feed problems, bolt thrust, and corrosion.


Over a century ago the US Army built 1,000,000 M1903's, which later tests proved, that 1/3 of the them would fail in overpressure incidents. An unknown number of them blew up with standard issue ammunition. There is evidence of one person dying when his low number M1903 Springfield blew up. The Army never with drew these rifles, instead issued them until such time the rifle wore out, in which case the receiver was scrapped, or it blew up in service, in which case any injured personnel were medically stabilized. If due to their injuries any Soldier/Sailor/Marine unable to perform their duties they would have been granted a medical discharge, removed from service, and the unfortunate suffered for the rest of their life with their permanent debilitating injury. Those in the VA system know just how generous VA benefits are, and how easy they are to get.

The basic problem in the Arsenals was that temperature gages were not in place in the forge shop nor in the heat treat ovens. Temperatures were judged by eyeballs and if any has watched "Forged in Fire", you can see how imperfect eyeballs are in judging temperatures. Often knives are overheated and cracked even though the makers are highly skilled knife smiths. It has gotten so bad that the judges won't test a knife that is cracked. Early on in the show a number of these cracked blades shattered and you could watch sharp shards flying about the sound stage. Damned dangerous to everyone. Sometimes, a blade is overheated without a crack showing, and if the blade breaks, the testing stops.

The Army Ordnance Corp was clearly at fault, having built a population of defective weapons, which blew up with their ammunition But instead of withdrawing the things , warning the users, thereby admitting to incompetence and accepting fault, the Army Ordnance Corp came up with a coverup to absolve them of all fault and push the blame on the user of the rifle. At the time shooters were greasing their bullets. The Army therefore blamed the grease for the blowup. Claimed it greatly increased pressures and bolt thrust. Because shooters consider the Army an honest institution, and don't have the technical background to question, this has been accepted unquestioningly for over 100 years. However, a bit of research shows that many period Armies were in fact greasing their bullets, the Swiss continued to grease their bullets up the 1980's.

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I am going to say it is surprising how few of the shooting community are aware of the history of automatic weapons,even though anyone can read Chinn's Machine Gun series for free. I recommend reading Vol IV, start with the blow back section:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/MG/

There must be a hundred service weapons that used greased ammunition. About the same number, if not more, used oilers which oiled the ammunition as it went in the chamber. The 20mm Oerlikon, used by the Army, Navy, Air Force, had to used greased ammunition or the thing would malfunction to the point of blowing up! About 150,000 of the things were issued during WW2 and were used on aircraft, PT boats, ground equipment. It shot around 800 rounds of 20 mm cannon fire a minute. An Army bud of mine stole one from the USAF during the Vietnam War. At this time the Oerlikon was using an oiler which put a drop of oil on each round just as it went in the chamber. Bud, and his fellow river pirates, mounted the Oerlikon on their armored river barge. If they took any incoming, that Oerlikon would absolutely stop any hostile actions!

None of this is well known within the shooting community. Instead the shooting community is still in lock step with a 100 year old Army coverup. Any oiled or greased ammunition loaded within SAAMI pressures is safe in any weapon designed and built for the round. The action is designed to fully support an oiled round. If anyone is really concerned about bolt thrust, they need to cut their loads.

I have been fire forming cases with grease or oils. I want first fired cases to fire form without any stress. In the example of these 300 H&H Magnum cases, I don't want to stretch the cases. They cost about $2.00 each, maybe more by now. If they are in stock. (!) The base to shoulder distance is not controlled with belted magnums and if you don't carefully fire form belted magnum cases, you run the risk of case head separations in a couple of firings. Instead of the case neck adhering to the chamber with the sidewalls stretching till the case head touches the bolt face, my 300 H&H cases slide to the bolt face, the shoulders fold out, stress free and perfectly fire formed. This is a practice that Bench Rifle National Champions do, they need a perfect case, and fire forming lubed cases results in case perfectly formed to the chamber and stress free.

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Over a century ago the US Army built 1,000,000 M1903's, which later tests proved, that 1/3 of the them would fail in overpressure incidents. An unknown number of them blew up with standard issue ammunition. There is evidence of one person dying when his low number M1903 Springfield blew up. The Army never with drew these rifles, instead issued them until such time the rifle wore out, in which case the receiver was scrapped, or it blew up in service, in which case any injured personnel were medically stabilized. If due to their injuries any Soldier/Sailor/Marine unable to perform their duties they would have been granted a medical discharge, removed from service, and the unfortunate suffered for the rest of their life with their permanent debilitating injury. Those in the VA system know just how generous VA benefits are, and how easy they are to get.

The basic problem in the Arsenals was that temperature gages were not in place in the forge shop nor in the heat treat ovens. Temperatures were judged by eyeballs and if any has watched "Forged in Fire", you can see how imperfect eyeballs are in judging temperatures. Often knives are overheated and cracked even though the makers are highly skilled knife smiths. It has gotten so bad that the judges won't test a knife that is cracked. Early on in the show a number of these cracked blades shattered and you could watch sharp shards flying about the sound stage. Damned dangerous to everyone. Sometimes, a blade is overheated without a crack showing, and if the blade breaks, the testing stops.

The Army Ordnance Corp was clearly at fault, having built a population of defective weapons, which blew up with their ammunition But instead of withdrawing the things , warning the users, thereby admitting to incompetence and accepting fault, the Army Ordnance Corp came up with a coverup to absolve them of all fault and push the blame on the user of the rifle. At the time shooters were greasing their bullets. The Army therefore blamed the grease for the blowup. Claimed it greatly increased pressures and bolt thrust. Because shooters consider the Army an honest institution, and don't have the technical background to question, this has been accepted unquestioningly for over 100 years. However, a bit of research shows that many period Armies were in fact greasing their bullets, the Swiss continued to grease their bullets up the 1980's.

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I am going to say it is surprising how few of the shooting community are aware of the history of automatic weapons,even though anyone can read Chinn's Machine Gun series for free. I recommend reading Vol IV, start with the blow back section:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/MG/

There must be a hundred service weapons that used greased ammunition. About the same number, if not more, used oilers which oiled the ammunition as it went in the chamber. The 20mm Oerlikon, used by the Army, Navy, Air Force, had to used greased ammunition or the thing would malfunction to the point of blowing up! About 150,000 of the things were issued during WW2 and were used on aircraft, PT boats, ground equipment. It shot around 800 rounds of 20 mm cannon fire a minute. An Army bud of mine stole one from the USAF during the Vietnam War. At this time the Oerlikon was using an oiler which put a drop of oil on each round just as it went in the chamber. Bud, and his fellow river pirates, mounted the Oerlikon on their armored river barge. If they took any incoming, that Oerlikon would absolutely stop any hostile actions!

None of this is well known within the shooting community. Instead the shooting community is still in lock step with a 100 year old Army coverup. Any oiled or greased ammunition loaded within SAAMI pressures is safe in any weapon designed and built for the round. The action is designed to fully support an oiled round. If anyone is really concerned about bolt thrust, they need to cut their loads.

I have been fire forming cases with grease or oils. I want first fired cases to fire form without any stress. In the example of these 300 H&H Magnum cases, I don't want to stretch the cases. They cost about $2.00 each, maybe more by now. If they are in stock. (!) The base to shoulder distance is not controlled with belted magnums and if you don't carefully fire form belted magnum cases, you run the risk of case head separations in a couple of firings. Instead of the case neck adhering to the chamber with the sidewalls stretching till the case head touches the bolt face, my 300 H&H cases slide to the bolt face, the shoulders fold out, stress free and perfectly fire formed. This is a practice that Bench Rifle National Champions do, they need a perfect case, and fire forming lubed cases results in case perfectly formed to the chamber and stress free.

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I'll be darned. Ive never spent much time studying the topic. The idea that some of the bolt thrust force is alleviated by the expanding unlubed case grabbing on to the chamber walls always made sense to me. Here's a quick read explaining my "belief"

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Maybe it's all as you say. Maybe the truth is "it depends". I'll certainly be studying it.
 
Hmmm ...

My takeaway from reading in Hatcher's Notebook (a decade ago, or more) the comments about failure of brittle, burned-steel 1903 receivers was that the primary danger point with using these receivers was if you suffered a casehead failure, the sudden dumping of the high-pressure gas into the receiver might cause the brittle ones to violently shatter.

I will have to make a note to reread that section.
 
I'll be darned. Ive never spent much time studying the topic. The idea that some of the bolt thrust force is alleviated by the expanding unlubed case grabbing on to the chamber walls always made sense to me. Here's a quick read explaining my "belief"

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Maybe it's all as you say. Maybe the truth is "it depends". I'll certainly be studying it.


There seems to be thousands if not tens of thousands of threads at http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com. If there is something specific you want to reference you are going to have to be more specific.
 
There seems to be thousands if not tens of thousands of threads at http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com. If there is something specific you want to reference you are going to have to be more specific.

Oops. I thought I did link to a specific article. Now I can't find it.

But in the process of looking I'm seeing lots of anecdotal evidence and informal tests that support what you are saying.

The article I thought I was linking to basically just talked about a dod study about how a specific machine gun tended to have case head separation stoppages early in a firing sequence. They suspected excess lube. Them went on to say that particular firearm's design made it more prone to this problem, but suggested all shooters should be cautious about excessive lube on cases and in Chambers.

TL;DR:. Not a compelling counterpoint to your argument, Slamfire
 
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