win71, I didn't take it as a slight, I posted them b/c I could have been wrong and wanted confirmation. I agree, the .264 is, in my opinion, the baddest mutha ever devised for big game. Sure wish someone still chambered it. It would never work for the general public though, you can't just go out and blast through a box of ammo in quick succsession every time you go shooting. Thak hot round is going to burn your barrel right out. Shoot once or twice, wait 5-10 minutes, repeat. Barrel should last a long time. too many people think a rifle is a rifle is a rifle. When one doesn'perform the way they want they blame the gun, soon you have a gun with a bad rep. Oh well, guess I can quit whining and go get one built.