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liberalgunnut New Member Join Date: 10-16-06
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BigFatKen; Posts:hundreds
Without guns, the other rights can be taken away easily.
Are you so focused on the 2nd amendment that you've ignored that your 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 14th amendment rights have just been infringed by the recent passage of a bill that allows the president to label anyone whom he feels is a threat to this country as an enemy combatant?

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is much of what you are complianing about is a lot of hot air. I would write more, but this is all a liberal Troll deserves. Your other posts must have taken hours to compose and minutes to think about. I see all 12 of your posts are targeted to this thread as of this writing. 12:17pm Tuesday 10-17
 
Good point, BFKen. Some of the posters here seem to want to cut off their noses to spite their faces. :uhoh: I don't understand. I'll be pulling the R lever, again. :evil:
 
I didn't realize it was a contest...

Because I have an opinion different than yours that makes me a troll? Wow... that's a great way to avoid honest debate. Great you have more posts than I... given that you win the most posts challenge... I wonder if you believe that you are in a more righteous position to post on this board because you've posted more? because you apparently hate liberals? Interestingly I find that most people who claim to hate liberals do so, in part because they claim that liberals don't have a position... I do, does that bother you more?

The reason I call myself liberalgunnut is because I am a proud liberal and not afraid to say it, and I am a proud gun nut and not afraid to say that. The reason that I'm on this thread is because it caught my attention. The reason that I'm on this board is because I love shooting and I happened to find it through a google search. I didn't happen to see anything that said "liberals need not post here". I guess when one does not have a good answer to honest debate it is easy to refer to others as trolls. Why start a thread when you aren't interested in others opinions.

Because you apparently seem to consider yourself conservative do you believe that you are somehow more American than I?

btw: I am an NRA member.
 
about Dennis Hastert

Quote:
READ THE FOLLOWING AT YOUR OWN RISK. it gives me the Willy's:

If, God forbid, President Bush is killed as in a new movie, and the VP dies of a heart attack, the next President will be the Speaker of the House.(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford ). If the Democrats win the House in November, they will put up Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. She would be our president. Hillary likely would be her VP
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller ) by appointment.
END WARNING
liberalgunnut New Member
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oh please... while I am a liberal, I'm not a Pelosi fan. But you seem to ignore the obvious. If those things happened now we'd have President Dennis Hastert.
Dennis Hastert would be no worse than Gerald Ford. He would not appoint Hillary as VP nor Fienstein to SCOUS.
 
liberalgunnut
"BigG glad to know that I can cancel out someone's vote

ps... I wasn't aware that there was a god that choose the side with the biggest guns, what religion is that?"

This is a direct quote of a man long dead. It means the same as Honest Abe saying ".........all men are created equal...."

When you have given your opinion on many other gun items, your started threads will be judged with the "rate this post button by others".

Then we can see what your thoughts are on more than this narrow question.

e.g. With the advent of the new body armour, should the Military step up to a heavier bullet than the current 5.56mm?
 
No worse?

No worse? Good to know you've got such high standards for your country. It seems to me that 30% of this country is bound and determined to vote republican even if Bush was doing congressional pages... or worse... starting wars over lies.

Like i said... I'm not a Pelosi fan even though she was my representative for a couple years... that said... Hastert is proving to be amazingly ineffective as a leader of the house. And amazingly ineffective at covering up republican sex scandals. Much the same can be said for Frist leadership in the Senate. Reid is worthless... My hope is that the left somehow gets a spine transplant and makes Feingold Senate Majority Leader after the right implodes in this election. But that won't likely happen. I can only hope that Reid gets slammed on this real estate thing.

What I am curious about is that would you support Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Kennedy, or whatever nameless Democrat having the same powers under the Military Commissions Act of 2006 that Bush has... in being able to name anyone the please a enemy of the state and strip them of all their rights?

My question on the quote was to BigG... He seems to have that in his signature for a reason, it certainly does not imply that all men are created equal. I reminds me of the civil war (or the Iraq war) when both sides said they had God on their side... But being a liberal, ACLU, NRA, atheist (even in foxholes)... I'm guessing that BigG's god is not on my side... :)

BTW: BigFatKen... it seems rather hypocritical of you to call me a troll and then argue that I've only posted on this narrow subject. I'm assuming that since you have 483 posts that you at somepoint had a first post. Does the lower number of posts make one a troll? I am simply trying to provide what I see as a different point of view than most on this thread.

FYI- I'm very much into slow fire target shooting. I'm a gun convert from my other hobby, archery. I shoot a Ruger MkII, Browning Buckmark, a Clark's 10/22 (my favorite), Beretta 92FS (self defense), and a remmington 12 gauge (very rarely).

Ken: I am relatively new to shooting... If you like to judge me based on whether is know what a the military should be using then I guess you could consider me an idiot. But frankly I think that the miltary in combat situations would be better served carrying the lighter 5.56 ammo (because they can carry more than the heavier stuff). If it was me fighting...I'd like to know that I had a bigger supply of ammo... than something that would work against body armor that my enemy is unlikely to have. Given that we're likely faced with battling more islamic fundamentalists they are not generally in possesion of the type of body armor that would make a 5.56 ineffective. I guess I could add... that if we were facing an enemy that did have that armor it might be wise to have at least a couple guys outfitted with the 7.62 M14s. On a related note... the other enemy that we may be likely facing is the NK's given their strategy of quanity over quality I would assume that thy would not be giving the bulk of their troops the latest body armor. Additionally you might want to ask yourself why even after we'd been in Iraq for over a year all OUR troops did not have this armor? just my thoughts...
 
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What I am curious about is that would you support Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Kennedy, or whatever nameless Democrat having the same powers under the Military Commissions Act of 2006 that Bush has... in being able to name anyone the please a enemy of the state and strip them of all their rights?
Yes, if they were POTUS.
 
I don't understand. I'll be pulling the R lever, again.
I am also, and I hope a large percentage of Libertarian party do too.
Vote Libertarian in the primaries and vote to keep the Democrats out in the National elections.

I promise to vote for any Libertarian Party member that will RUNas a Republican. They can follow the Liertarian line while in office if they want to, but running as a Libertarian will never get my vote.
 
BigFatKen

I've been thinking... (sorry)

But I just don't get it. Please understand that I'm not trolling here... but how can you support that while claiming to be a proponent of the 2nd? It seems to me to be an amazingly poorly written law and is in direct conflict with the 2nd amendment... If you oppose gun registration then it certainly seems to make sense to me that giving one person (much like the Hitler example earlier, albeit inccorect) the power to take away your gun rights without due process would also be something you'd oppose. Currently there are about 44000 people on the no fly list, including many americans that simply have no reason for being on the list. The government is under no obligatin to tell anyone why they are on the list. One in particluar is the female director of a movie called My Country, My Country, Laura Poitras. Which is simply about life in Iraq from the view of one man... The movie is so good that she has been briefing US Military on civilan life in Iraq... yet somehow she is so scary that we can't allow her to fly. She currently has the highest threat rating that anyone can have... right up there with Bin Laden. These are our enemies of the state?

The president and those in his administration has said on numerous occassions that those that differ with their position on terrorism are supporting the terrorists. If you can make the stretch that Democrats are going to "take your guns" how much of a stretch is it for me to say that I am an enemy of the state because I think the president's approach is wrong?

Your gun rights will only be safe in a transparent government... and we don't have a transparent government.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2006/mycountry/index.html

Since finishing "My Country, My Country," I've been placed on the Department of Homeland Security's terror watch list. Returning to the U.S. in August 2006 after screenings in Europe, I was detained at two airports. In Vienna, I was escorted out of the terminal to a police inspection area and was notified by security that my 'threat rating' was 400 points — the highest the Department of Homeland Security assigns. Upon arrival at JFK airport, I was again escorted by security to a holding area until Homeland Security gave permission for me to enter the country. I gave the security guards DVDs of the film.
 
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My friend David Nelson is on the no fly list with 20,000 other David Nelsons
liberalgunnut
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Posts: 17 did you notice... I'm getting awfully near the 20 post mark... so when am I not a troll anymore?

There are people who are lurkers. These people do not register; do not post and just read. A troll is a member who joins with the intention of posting threads or responses that will be disruptive. They may quote unreliable sources or sources that can be plianly shown to be not true. Camp David is one menber I consider a Troll.

Anyone who would believe that the Brady's just want reasonible gun rules or that the ACLU is gun neutral would be not be using the good judgement that the more knowing Mods here would agree with.

The ACLU was started when a President banned speaking German in public. That was a good start. They have shifted a lot since then.

You can tell by the ACLU's actions that they are not gun neutral. To lose your troll status with me, start your own post. Think hard about it. Write it in a word processor program and spell check it. Sleep on it and post it in a few days. Other members will hit the "rate this post button". You will be judged on your post. I made Senior, not by my number of posts, but when I posted this poem to console Amy of Dodgeville WI who lost her father in a drive by shooting, of sorts, in Tampa.

http://www.artworkbyandy.com/Jamie/Ascension.htm
by Colleen C. Hitchcock
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our posts crossed in the mail. I will read and address your recent post tommorow.
 
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Unborn right's vs. RKBA

The last thing the RKBA needs is another liberal Judge on SCOUS.
#24 scurtis_34471 New MemberJoin Date: 09-06-06
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The last thing a woman's right to choose needs is another conservative judge.

If we allow this thread to wander into the pro life / pro chioce debate, it will go nowhere.

From various members:
We need a Constitutionalist court. The idea is to uphold the Constitution, not engage in some sort of institutionalized PCness
The Constitution should be protected from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Liberals are enemies, just of the domestic variety.
I fail to see how putting Kerry, Kennedy, Feinstein, Shumer, Durbin, Biden, Feingold, Rangel, Reid and Pelosi into greater positions of authority and influence is going to protect my rights.

The Democrats have less respect for the three rights I value most.

Life, Property and Self Defense.

As far as the Supreme Court is concerned, I'll take the picks of President Bush over any of the living constitution clowns that a Democrat would send up.

You guys are going to cut your noses off to spite your face.

liberalgunnut

wow...leave to go burn flags and I turn into an enemy of the state...
Some of us here do not even joke about this subject. On Memorial Day, at noon, I raised a flag I had flown over the capital on my father's birthday. Call him Sgt Tall Thin Ken. A little different man from SSg BigFatKen

liberalgunnut
Liberals as enemies of the state...
Maybe you ought to be asking yourself, if that is the case why do we have 7 times the number of troops in Iraq as Afghanistan?
As usual, the Liberal leads the thread off topic to pick on something else. What does the micro-management of our troops have to do with RKBA?
From the link to ACLU:
We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government.
This is not THR'S interpetation of RKBA nor the Attorney General's.
 
gunnut has got it right! back off fatboy:neener:

The present administration has made a mockery and ruined the image that Ronald Regan brought to the republican party. :fire: They have spent almost 7 years lamblasting BC for having consensual sex with an adult female while codling their own pedophile, bent over backwards to violate work done in the past to lend credibility to America(Geneva convention), protected traitors who revealed identities of American spies and have had high ranking party members, one aftere the other, leaving with disgrace from top to bottome for about 5 years.:cuss:

DAm right we need a change and I hope we get it in November. :) I am just concerned as to what the bunch of idiots in washington, now, might try in the next couple of weeks.:banghead:
 
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back off fatboy
Alabama has some nice places to live. Here's one:
http://www.alabamabass.com/194281_113130.jpg

I used it for my computer walllpaper for awhile. You live in a State I thought was more polite than to use these words. I took my user name because there are too many BIGKEN users around. Being thin runs in the males of my family. I dropped from 150 pounds to 133 while in the Army in RVN; not enough food. My Uncle Oscar had not seen me for a year after I got out and remarked "Boy! Did you get fat". The name stuck.
 
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"ruined the image that Ronald Regan brought to the republican party"

Who is Ronald Regan? Is he a troll who likes to argue politics on a gun board more than he likes to argue about guns on a gun board? Does he use crude language, too?

Here's a better question: Why did I just spend five minutes reading all that bickering? Good thing I'm not a slow reader.

"DAm right we need a change and I hope we get it in November."

You know the old saying, be careful what you wish for.

John
 
Maybe I'm missing something...

There are people who are lurkers. These people do not register; do not post and just read. A troll is a member who joins with the intention of posting threads or responses that will be disruptive. They may quote unreliable sources or sources that can be plianly shown to be not true. Camp David is one menber I consider a Troll.

hmmm... lurkers, trolls, disruptive, unreliable sources... sounds a bit paranoid to me. As you may have noticed, I'm not too concerned about people reading my posts let alone the invisible people that read my posts. I am not here to be disruptive I just enjoy substantive debate. Even if my spelling occassionally sucks. btw: you misspelled member :)

You'll have to do better than to imply that I'm using "unreliable sources" or "plainly unture sources" if your goal is to discount my postings.

Additionally you claim that I've gone off topic? Huh? Your posting was a warning that people needed to vote republican and now you seem to be cutting and running from your original post. It seems to that your positions for this thread are changing with the conditions... starting to sound familar?

Finally, yes... I joke about burning flags. The reason is that I am from a military family. My father taught me to respect the flag, but he also taught me that what was much more important than our symbol of freedom was our right to excersize the actual freedoms. I find burning flags offensive... but what I find more offensize is having a bunch of chickenhawks imply that you need to be protected from those that are excersizing their right of freedom with a constitutional amendment taking away freedom. You didn't fight for a damn flag... you fought for the constitution and the country created by it. The same constitution that you seem to be so uninterested in protecting in your effort to keep some people you don't like from being democratically elected.

I have had a flag hanging in front of my home since prior to the 2004 elections... why? because I am a patriot, I am a liberal, and most importantly I am an American... you own the flag... but in your quest to protect it you ignore that we also own it.

And the chickenhawks who are abandoning the constitution question my patriotism?

The day I will actually burn my flag is the day that they outlaw it.
 
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Dear Joe

I was dismayed by the "fatboy" comment. This person does not know me but feels qualified to make comments about my person.

One veteran I know says he is the only man from his infantry company who did not have to kill a child while deployed over seas somewhere. His enemy kept sending children with bombs on their person. If the kids crossed a certain line, they were shot. He killed plenty of adults and is proud of doing his duty.

War is not always about rebuilding the water plant. Somebody has to do the dirty work first. Sometimes it makes them a little funny about the fact.

And as Forrest Gump would say "that's all I have to say about that".
 
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I didn't have to kill a man to stop being a boy.:D

But I know about that Military change. when I enlisted, still have the ID card, I was 5'7" and weighed 126#, when I came home, a few weeks later, from basic trainning i was 6'1" and weighted 172#. Suckers issued my clothing 3 times during basic trainning to keep me from looking like ole Jethro Bodine.

Some times wish I could dig up that ole DI, bet he could work some of this fat off my arse. (no I don't eithe)
 
Being a vet myself and knowing a hell of a lot more of them, he sounds a lot like a "wantabe" to me.:eek:
 
Well, I would have liked to respond to BFK, since this little toilet tempest began with his response to my post:

If you look at my post total, I guess I have the right to call you a troll and ignore whatever logic you present.

Without guns, the other rights can be taken away easily.

Nice rhetoric, but not supported by reality. The rights of armed individuals and groups is routinely taken away by better armed and trained police/military forces in our country. I support RKBA as much as anyone, but what you're talking about hasn't been a reality since Shay's Rebellion.

Let me rewrite it for you:

Without a voting public willing to hold power-grabbing politicians accountable for their usurpations, all of our rights can be taken away easily.
 
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