Price hike at CTD

[fxstchewy]

Never heard of them.

 

[M2 Carbine]

CTD is local to me.

The manager of the small gun shop a couple miles from my house worked at CTD about 12 years, so he knows what goes on there.
He said at the frst sign of the panic buying the owner of CTD pulled all the AR's, AK's, etc. off the shelf and put them in the back with dozens and dozens and dozens of other guns.

Then when the price doubled the guns "reappeared" on the shelf.


To give you an idea of how big that outfit is, when no dealers had the new Ruger SR22, CTD had over 40 of them. At that time CTD was selling them at a good price. I bought two.

 

[mrvco]

Know enough to know that the "need" to pay panic-buying prices is over. When you see prices like this, they are just fishing for the people who aren't paying attention or are too lazy to shop around (of course that seems to be CTD's MO regardless of political climate).

Two weeks ago my LGS had a DDM4 V7LW on their shelf for $2999. A nearby LGS had the non-LW version on the shelf for $1999.

I went home, called Daniel Defense and ordered the V7LW for list price... $1509 + $15.95 shipping.

There is an auction on Gunbroker for that same OR M&P right now... No Reserve, $1,000, no bids, ends in <3 Hours. And several for sale with BIN prices at $1,200 or so.

 

[mdauben]

CTD. Still dead to me.

Dead.

 

[Yo Mama]

Yep! Preying on the Yanks who never bought a gun until their Lord and Savior was elected to a second term.

Thanks for the good laughs this morning...

No they are preying on everyone. And why throw Obama into the mix? Obama never hid the agenda, if someone was fooled they are an idiot.

The manufacturers and retailers have to take blame. Production levels are still unable to meet demand, even through this is not the first shortage. More people are shooting than ever before, but somehow supply has never increased?

 

[hardheart]

They, like any smart retailer, have adjusted their prices to meet market demand.

A little proof of that would be excellent, or perhaps the appropriate quantity of fairy dust to snort in order to believe that 100% of retailers accurately price 100% of products 100% of the time. Obviously the targeted demographic of THR posters who now say CTD is 'dead to me' just don't know a good deal when they see it and are not the kind of people CTD sells their goods to. Maybe there's some other group who wants firearms/accessories but doesn't want to compare on price, quality, customer service, so forth. People/business make money in a lot of ways, and it is hardly a laudable effort in some instances. I do not understand the sycophancy. Maybe it is just a myopic view of business practice, one where the 21st century and the amount of information disseminated is not supposed to have an influence on consumer habits, competition, repeat business, and long-term goals.

 

[Eb1]

I will play a little here. Now that it has become a "serious" topic.
I mean.. Al Snikker is over, so I will have to vamp in a bit.

No they are preying on everyone.

No, they are not.

Production levels are still unable to meet demand, even through this is not the first shortage. More people are shooting than ever before, but somehow supply has never increase

You don't think they have learned that this is a huge payday every four years when a Democrat is going to win? Trust me. I think they do know and hope it does.

And why throw Obama into the mix? Obama never hid the agenda

Now, about the president.

When you are on TV and 70,000,000 people are watching, and you say, that when you get re-elected you are going to push a weapons ban no less than the one in 1994. I'd say he would be the on to blame. Along with the other's who wrote the dookie on paper

It started that next day, but the legislation and the true visibility happened when the lunatic NFL player shot his girl in front of his mom, and then whacked himself at the field in front of coaches. What a good role model, and to waist all that money on people like this to catch, tackle, or kick a ball.
Then throw in Sandy Hook, mall shootings, and the gamut, but never, ever a National story about a self defense case.
Production probably stopped, and retailers started to turn the knobs on the price guns. IMO.
I bet they just let their stock deplete, and made one big purchase to markup. Then you had people buying guns, and stores pushing .22 LR pistols because the ease of use.
Also like Larry Potterfield said about the Glock on "MidwayUSA Gun Stories", how else are you going to train thousands of cops to shoot a 1911. Here is a gun that you just point and shoot.
So now you have cops carrying AR-15s instead of shotguns. Well here comes S&W, and others, making .22 LR AR-15 clones. Wow!!! Cheap ammo and exactly the same length of pull, add-ons, scopes, etc. What a great trainer for close quarter clearing of houses. Noise level is low. Women can handle it better, not the the recoil of a .223 is bad, but the weight of 30 rounds of .22 LR is a lot less than 30 rounds of .233 in an all day training exercise.

I hear Al Snikker calling. Later.

 

[Agsalaska]

Agsalaska, gimme a break, and spare me the "free market 101" class. It was a gag thread from the start.

Yeah, I think it stinks to prey on people when you don't have to. Sometimes quantity of sales beats bending over your customers. But yeah, maybe the manufacturer is in short supply, so the retailer has to beef up prices because his inventory is low..
Like it was said on another thread, American companies do not keep stock piles any longer to protect the economy. They produce on demand, and all it takes is a panic to spin everything out of control.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the big retailers and manufacturers were sitting at a round table during the election, holding hands, hoping that the guy would get re-elected.
And the "laughs" were to the users of THR that had some good comments about Crazier Than Dingbats (with hydro-phobe).
But all-in-all, I just wanted to have some fun this morning since I didn't have to go to work, and was in a good mood and all. Cooked flap jacks for the kids, made the wife coffee, and played with the dog.
I hope you have a good rest of the day. In a 1990's inner city voice I say, "Peace Out!" -)+=

Fair enough. Have a good weekend.

 

[Agsalaska]

A little proof of that would be excellent, or perhaps the appropriate quantity of fairy dust to snort in order to believe that 100% of retailers accurately price 100% of products 100% of the time. Obviously the targeted demographic of THR posters who now say CTD is 'dead to me' just don't know a good deal when they see it and are not the kind of people CTD sells their goods to. Maybe there's some other group who wants firearms/accessories but doesn't want to compare on price, quality, customer service, so forth. People/business make money in a lot of ways, and it is hardly a laudable effort in some instances. I do not understand the sycophancy. Maybe it is just a myopic view of business practice, one where the 21st century and the amount of information disseminated is not supposed to have an influence on consumer habits, competition, repeat business, and long-term goals.

I will have to admit, I read this post four times and am not quite sure what you mean. Proof? You need proof that high demand has increased prices? Go watch a nor reserve auction for 22lr on gunbroker. Or that there is currently high demand? Go stand outside any LGS on ammo shipment day. They certainly do not all price their merchandise 100% to market demand 100% of the time. Some choose to ration(see Academy or WalMart.) Besides that I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Yo Mama]

Eb1, I don't know *** you just said, or if you agree with me or not?

 

[BK]

I'm a dealer. I received a letter about Federal ammo price increases. I dropped my jaw at the rate of the increase. I hope my customers don't hate me for these price increases.

 

[Grassman]

CTD is dead to me.

 

[oneounceload]

Yes, CTD is scum for raping customers for profit and have shown their true colors to us in the shooting sports. Hopefully the profits they hope to make doing this during this frenzy will not support them when things come back to normal.

REALLY? Exactly WHAT rape did you personally have with them?
Did you buy the gun at their asking price?
Did you willingly hand over your money for that item at their asking price?

If no, then WHERE did this rape occur?
Oh, it hasn't, and it won't because anyone who willingly pays the ASKING price of a retailer is not getting raped/screwed/gouged

folks who whine about this really need to grow up and study econ 101

 

[Yo Mama]

I'm a dealer. I received a letter about Federal ammo price increases

Post the letter in your store. Post here also. We need to aknowledge that manufacturers are partially responsible.

Side note, if the letter said price increase due to the need to increase producation and size of the facility, I'm all in.

 

[Grassman]

REALLY? Exactly WHAT rape did you personally have with them?
Did you buy the gun at their asking price?
Did you willingly hand over your money for that item at their asking price?

If no, then WHERE did this rape occur?
Oh, it hasn't, and it won't because anyone who willingly pays the ASKING price of a retailer is not getting raped/screwed/gouged

folks who whine about this really need to grow up and study econ 101

While browsing through ethics 101?

 

[lilguy]

Last time I used them is when the Clinton AWB was enacted. Never been back since.

 

[Grassman]

I'll tell you something, I've been self employed for ten years now, and if I conducted myself the way CTD has, I wouldn't have made it one year. I'll bet they didn't treat customers this way when they were a fledgling business. If you choose to run your business this way I'm glad I'm not a customer.

 

[texasgun]

whoever buys that rifle for $1,800 is a dumb guy

for reference: I got a brand-new Colt LE6940 (M4 Monolithic) on gunbroker for $1,800 this week.

My local dealer here near Seattle sells .223/5.56 for $11 + tax for a 20rd box (PMC .223 and PMC 5.56 tactical) ... not a steal but MUCH less expensive than the $1/rd on bulkammo and other stores

I also bought a 30rd Pmag there (yesterday) for $29

again - it's your choice where to buy. CTD is certainly not a store I support.

 

[oneounceload]

While browsing through ethics 101?

Was that offered at the same time as whining 101, socialism 101, price regulation 101, and how to get your life paid for by the Feds 101??

 

[SabbathWolf]

CTD = Customers Trashed Daily

 

[Walkalong]

I reckin we've beat up on CTD enough. As always, we choose where to shop.