Styx
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Hang in there... I normally will get emails from several low ballers. Plus, I'd suggest mentioning that the price was "Firm" in your ad.
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oneounceload
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Gander Mountain does it all the time. Used are sold at new gun list and new guns are sold at list +15-20%. They have had a batch of eastern European 9x18s sitting in their used case for over a year because corporate bean counters won 't allow a reduction. Guess those bean counters do not understand managing and turning inventory and the time value of cash.
il.bill
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When I price one of my firearms for sale, the dollar amount is primarily based on how much I have invested in it. At times I have originally paid too much, and my selling price will usually reflect that even when it is set at my actual cost.
No offense to anyone, but if you think my price is too high, just do not buy it.
My price may well later drop if I need some money and am forced to take a loss, but no one is coerced to purchase my 'overpriced' firearm against his will. The buying and selling part of this country is still free, is it not?
No offense to anyone, but if you think my price is too high, just do not buy it.
My price may well later drop if I need some money and am forced to take a loss, but no one is coerced to purchase my 'overpriced' firearm against his will. The buying and selling part of this country is still free, is it not?
guyfromohio
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Personally, I don't pay for mods or accessories. If you are selling a BNIB Gen 4 G19, I look to see what I can get it for locally at LGS. If it is $549 before taxes, my offer limit would be $500. That being said, I would not hesitate to offer $500. If declined, I move along with a "thank you".
huntsman
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^ You're being generous, I'd offer $450. tops because it a current production gun.
I'm more inclined to over pay for an out of production gun because they ain't making them any more but a current production gun it's a buyers market not a sellers.
I'm more inclined to over pay for an out of production gun because they ain't making them any more but a current production gun it's a buyers market not a sellers.
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Buy your guns online and pay the FFL fee - it is much cheaper. You also actually have a selection - you can choose from many inexpensive companies with great customer service. The brick and mortar gun stores often have waaaay too high prices.
I recently purchased a gun online for the first time (Palmetto) and found the process to be incredibly easy.
I recently purchased a gun online for the first time (Palmetto) and found the process to be incredibly easy.
I recently made my first on line purchase. It was smooth, was priced $150 under the MSRP, and adding $15 shipping+$20 transfer fee at my LGS, saved me well over $100. I only chose this route because my LGS could not find/get the firearm I wanted. Normally I buy from the local shop because his pricing is very fair. I would not hesitate to do it again if needed for the same reason.
Redcoat3340
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This is the sort of thing that irks me. I guess I just hate public stupidity. This guy's asking over $675 for a gun I just bought for $225 (and, yes, that was a hot price.) I'm patient, I wait, I pretty much know what these are worth, I have a few already, and when someone asks more than I'm willing to pay, as many have said, I simply move on.
But to add insult to injury, he's claiming the gun was made before 1955 which makes it a C&R. I can find no documentation stating the FEG Hi Power clone was made in the early 50's. Plus he identified the model as PJK-9HP, which Mike Kassner named after his wife when he started importing the FEG P9's in the mid 80's.
Now obviously this guy can ask any price he wants and it's no skin off my back. And if someone thinks it is worth that kind of money, well, it's their money. But, like I said, for some reason, when I see this sort of thing I get irked (a very low level of bother!)
Here's the Gunbroker listing: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=468727897
But to add insult to injury, he's claiming the gun was made before 1955 which makes it a C&R. I can find no documentation stating the FEG Hi Power clone was made in the early 50's. Plus he identified the model as PJK-9HP, which Mike Kassner named after his wife when he started importing the FEG P9's in the mid 80's.
Now obviously this guy can ask any price he wants and it's no skin off my back. And if someone thinks it is worth that kind of money, well, it's their money. But, like I said, for some reason, when I see this sort of thing I get irked (a very low level of bother!)
Here's the Gunbroker listing: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=468727897
il.bill
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Yikes!
$675 and no pictures with the listing? It has to be a joke, right?
But then I suppose, more power to her/him if the seller finds a willing buyer.
medic_guns
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I bought a model 36 made in 1969 for 650. Came with box and papers and tools. The original price one the box reads $79. Am I a sucker???
Redcoat3340
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I think, like many posters said here, ya gotta shop and be patient. Asking prices are high and there are some greedy folks out there, but also a bunch of people who price fairly and even some who don't know what they are selling or what its worth. Here are my last five purchases, since the start of the New Year:
FEG PA 63 (7.65/32 ACP) in good condition, excellent barrel $125 from CDI. Pictures looked only fair, but it cleaned up nice.
FEG PJK-9HP (original Hi Power clone) $225 (gunbroker) in better than good shape.
FN Browning Hi Power Israeli surplus from CDI $370, a fair price, gun was in good shape except for the grips, which I replaced.
FN Browning 1910/22 for $325 (may have overpaid a bit as gun had been nickeled), but it was less than most of them I saw online and the one in my LGS was priced over $500.
FEG PJK-9HP for $250 from CDI. This was the Smith and Wesson operating system and after I took mag safety out is the best trigger of all my guns except my Smith pistols.
I don't think I got stuck for any of these....my only bum buy was last year when I got a Beretta 1915/1917 and it was barely shootable and sights were so far off they couldn't be fixed. It does make a nice paperweight, however.
FEG PA 63 (7.65/32 ACP) in good condition, excellent barrel $125 from CDI. Pictures looked only fair, but it cleaned up nice.
FEG PJK-9HP (original Hi Power clone) $225 (gunbroker) in better than good shape.
FN Browning Hi Power Israeli surplus from CDI $370, a fair price, gun was in good shape except for the grips, which I replaced.
FN Browning 1910/22 for $325 (may have overpaid a bit as gun had been nickeled), but it was less than most of them I saw online and the one in my LGS was priced over $500.
FEG PJK-9HP for $250 from CDI. This was the Smith and Wesson operating system and after I took mag safety out is the best trigger of all my guns except my Smith pistols.
I don't think I got stuck for any of these....my only bum buy was last year when I got a Beretta 1915/1917 and it was barely shootable and sights were so far off they couldn't be fixed. It does make a nice paperweight, however.
packpike
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For current production guns from what I've seen the used market is a real mixed bag, but for the most part people are asking close to, if not above, online new prices. Their reasoning is usually based on what they paid at their LGS. I use gunwatcher.com to see what the current new pricing is on a gun and if I can find a used one, in great condition (preferably with a few accessories), for ~80% then I'm willing to buy used. Otherwise I'll just eat the extra and buy new.
Here's how I have spent my tax refund in the last week:
Brand new SA M1A Scout Squad in Mossy Oak - $1,485 (+$125 in taxes because I decided to give a local shop the business)
Used Glock G21 Gen4 with night sights and TLR-1 light - $500. It looks like it's barely been used.
Used FNH FNX-45 Tactical - $800. It's definitely been used because it was dirty, but it cleaned up great. I bought a new one last year for $1,065 (total cost).
On Armslist almost all of the M1A listings are asking ~$1,500. I basically paid that for a new one plus by buying new SA will send me 3 20rd mags free. For the 2 that I did buy used I used Armslist and have been wading through the overpriced listings for months waiting on the right one to jump on. It takes patience. If you are in a hurry you're usually better off buying new.
Here's how I have spent my tax refund in the last week:
Brand new SA M1A Scout Squad in Mossy Oak - $1,485 (+$125 in taxes because I decided to give a local shop the business)
Used Glock G21 Gen4 with night sights and TLR-1 light - $500. It looks like it's barely been used.
Used FNH FNX-45 Tactical - $800. It's definitely been used because it was dirty, but it cleaned up great. I bought a new one last year for $1,065 (total cost).
On Armslist almost all of the M1A listings are asking ~$1,500. I basically paid that for a new one plus by buying new SA will send me 3 20rd mags free. For the 2 that I did buy used I used Armslist and have been wading through the overpriced listings for months waiting on the right one to jump on. It takes patience. If you are in a hurry you're usually better off buying new.
shoot thats nothing.... Ive got a gun listed right now. Im asking a tad higher than I should cause I dont care if it moves or not. However, I was offered a 300.00 dollar EAA in trade for it. Only 1300.00 less than my asking price... lol.
oneounceload
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To YOU; someone else might have a different slant on things. I don't buy things like that either, but you never know what drives folks to do that. If it is their own stupidity because they failed to do their due diligence, so be it. Besides, a seller can always lower a price, but he'll have a tough time trying to raise his price (assuming no ghost shills of course
)I always make a point to look around both locally & online before making a purchase. I don't buy that often & I feel like I need to get the best deal when I buy. I don't mind buying online but I wouldn't mind paying a small premium to buy locally. If I don't like someones price that is selling locally online I make an offer. If they don't want to deal I move on. I do believe there are some people that prefer to buy face to face to avoid a paper trail. I can understand how some folks might be willing to pay a small premium to keep the government out of their business.
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See, things like this are what I think of every time I hear the same old "That's the free market at work!" defense for profiteering. Our economic system does not work with everyone charging anything they want, as such arguments seem to assume. Put it this way: Would anyone be defending a grocery store that decided to charge $50/lb. for hamburger? How about if all the grocery stores in town got together and agreed to raise all prices by 20%? How about if a hurricane was going to hit your house, and Home Depot raised the price on lumber to board windows by 300% as you walked into the door? Once upon a time, "That's how the free market worked!" for a lot of things. That doesn't make it ok.
As to what Oldschoolshooter says, I hear you. I remember Taurus' going for $275; how are those same guns worth 60% more just a few years later? Some opportunistic "capitalist" is looking to line his pockets off of someone's ignorance. And making a living off of others' ignorance is hardly an honorable way to go.
Why the gun market is not absolutely saturated, with almost as many guns in the U.S. as people, is beyond me. But I eagerly await the crash.
I like H&K pistols, I have a full size USP 40 and a P30 9mm. The modular grip on that VP9 is the same as on my P30, and that modified grip fits my hand better than any other gun I own. And I like the VP9 trigger. But I don't buy a new gun when it first comes out. I wait a few years to see what the price of a used example looks like, and compare that to the price of a new one. I think there will be great deals on the VP9 when they start hitting the used gun shelf, and I'll probably be ready to buy one at that time.
MagnumDweeb
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Prices are quite over inflated in my opinion. I've got a bunch of guns I enjoy (too many to shoot in my case) so I'm done buying for the time being. There are lots of new buyers in the game keeping prices up and suppliers don't have massive stocks sitting in their shops.
Buddy of mine owns a pawn shop and he is selling guns at insane prices. Why? Because he can. Because not every single buyer is a smart shopper. Every time I find a deal in a private sale he jokes about how much he hates me.
Unless we have another run on guns, I think prices will stay high for a few more years than start to trend downwards. In the meantime look out for deals from Buds and the such (the Taurus G2 was going for around $200 last I looked). Let the brick and mortar guys be nothing but FFL transfer huts until they bring their prices down to what you are willing to spend.
Granted i want some more C&B black powder guns but I'll keep an eye out in the private sale realm for those goodies.
Buddy of mine owns a pawn shop and he is selling guns at insane prices. Why? Because he can. Because not every single buyer is a smart shopper. Every time I find a deal in a private sale he jokes about how much he hates me.
Unless we have another run on guns, I think prices will stay high for a few more years than start to trend downwards. In the meantime look out for deals from Buds and the such (the Taurus G2 was going for around $200 last I looked). Let the brick and mortar guys be nothing but FFL transfer huts until they bring their prices down to what you are willing to spend.
Granted i want some more C&B black powder guns but I'll keep an eye out in the private sale realm for those goodies.
oneounceload
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Are you serious? Guess you really do not understand how economics and supply and demand work. The BUYER sets the price that will be paid, not the seller.
Start with this video about "gouging" or "profiteering" as you call it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QEkw6_O6w
Then ask yourself WHO should set your "fair" prices? The government? Or the folks who actually pay the money?
Guess what happens to your grocery stores when they raise those prices and no one buys their goods? They either lower them to what the market will bear or they will lose their butt throwing it out as spoiled.
Jlr2267
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If a grocery store is overpriced, his stuff won't sell...won't be in business long.
If all stores get together to fix pricing, well, that's illegal and is the exact opposite of a "free market"
huntsman
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^ If "uneducated" newbies all of a sudden decide to become gun owners in the midst of a panic buying spree, the gun market becomes bubble like and not all bubbles deflate quickly or uniformly.
Yeah. You can get Shields with a manual safety for $369 brand new from Buds shipped. Add $15 for the transfer if you buy right. I would not offer more than $325 for one used and in excellent condition. Used magazines might go 60 cents on the dollar. Your price isn't completely out of line, but the premium for new isn't that much more.
..now if it has no safety,that's a good deal and it should sell fast.
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oneounceload
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Wouldn't have anything to do with the crash of our currency would it? Or the rising cost of materials? Or the increase in taxes, fees, etc. here in the US?
Nah, it MUST be those greedy capitalists..................... right........
Maybe we should have the government set the prices for shotguns at $150, handguns at $200, and rifles at $250 no matter whose make or model? That way everyone making minimum wage can buy anything...............
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