I stock piled some .22 LR as well. I only have one habit, shooting, so I don't have other things draining recreational money away from it. I probably have 16/18K Automatch, Blazer, Aguila, 90% bought at normal or on sale prices during the last window of opportunity. Buy a case (3250 for automatch, 5000 for the others) every other pay day and next thing you know..... I have less than 2K Match Grade .22 LR, but it doesn't get shot as quickly, and I am waiting for better prices on it as well.I can wait.
Worse come to worst, I'll break out that case of 22 LR I rat-holed away.
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reloaded_in_pa
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My 22 stash came after the Clinton's. I learned my lesson then.
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After scoring some cci 41 primers at a reasonable (albeit inflated) price, I think I am good for quite a while. In the summer I shoot my percussion guns quite a bit, which spreads out the consumption of modern primers and powders. I can cast projectiles, and if need be I can make black powder and percussion caps.
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I picked up some 41 for $52+tax, not great price, but I needed it
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Mine were 54 plus tax. I was not about to argue.
Paul R Zartman
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We are paying 330 for gas now, way to much for groceries and meat, ammo and primers also cost more, why aren't you all complaining about everything that's costing us more... pay and vote till things come around like they should...I haven't shot any of my ammo since early 2020, but I have stocked up on everything...meat, water, ammo and supplies, don't blame others for whats overpriced or unavailable in these times...push forward my friends...
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Uh, because it is a reloading forum and all that other stuff is kind of out of scope?
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Doesn't matter, logic still applies...everything is costing more...buy what you can afford...quit eating or using your surplus...keep your sanity in these times
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100 percent!
tactikel
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Frustration is everywhere, I try to keep things in perspective. Paying 5 cents more for a primer means reloading 9 mm with cast bullets costs me 13 cents a round, $6.50 a box of 50.
This, plus it isn't up 200 to 300%
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Give it time...
Let's hope not, but it could happen, no doubt. *Sigh* If it does, a lot of people will be giving up a lot of things.
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As Solomon said, there’s nothing new under the sun.
In 73 we had our first modern gas shortage—could buy only every other day on odd or even days depending on tag number. Don’t recall the price but the pre-dawn lines were miles long. Availability was the key.
At the same time, we had wage and price controls on food and other consumer products because inflation was “out of control”—7% maybe?
In 79 something similar happened and this time overall inflation was close to 20%. I don’t recall the price per gallon—If it was available and you needed it, you paid whatever it cost.
Bought a house back then and didn’t know the interest rate until closing—11.75% and that was better than many.
But I don’t know what primers were, nor milk, nor bread, nor beef, nor TP. You just paid what it cost and made whatever trade offs were necessary given your needs or desires or priorities.
Fast forward to 2021…as bad as the home prices are, the interest rates are at giveaway rates so it’s a wash really. Gas prices have gone up, sure, but it’s flowing like water and vehicles get far, far better mileage.
The price of primers and ammo is way higher than anyone would like, but to me it’s not the price that’s bothersome—It’s the unpredictable availability.
In 73 we had our first modern gas shortage—could buy only every other day on odd or even days depending on tag number. Don’t recall the price but the pre-dawn lines were miles long. Availability was the key.
At the same time, we had wage and price controls on food and other consumer products because inflation was “out of control”—7% maybe?
In 79 something similar happened and this time overall inflation was close to 20%. I don’t recall the price per gallon—If it was available and you needed it, you paid whatever it cost.
Bought a house back then and didn’t know the interest rate until closing—11.75% and that was better than many.
But I don’t know what primers were, nor milk, nor bread, nor beef, nor TP. You just paid what it cost and made whatever trade offs were necessary given your needs or desires or priorities.
Fast forward to 2021…as bad as the home prices are, the interest rates are at giveaway rates so it’s a wash really. Gas prices have gone up, sure, but it’s flowing like water and vehicles get far, far better mileage.
The price of primers and ammo is way higher than anyone would like, but to me it’s not the price that’s bothersome—It’s the unpredictable availability.
CryptKeeper5
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I don't get all worked up about any of it. Changes nothing. Gas is up, home heating will be up this winter, food prices are heading north....reloading supplies aren't that high on my priority list. "This"(reloading/shooting) is a HOBBY to 99.9% of people on this amateur forum. If you're putting buying primers or powder over food and clothing you should probably re visit the definition of "past time"!lol!
Shoot less and it'll last longer. NO ONE "needs" to shoot 400 rounds per week. Professional studies and personal experience training tells me you can either reliably hit your target or not after the first 2k anyhow. I've known and seen people not shoot for over a year, pick up a weapon and be pounding "X"s after only a couple of shots. Once that sight picture and muscle memory comes back...it comes back.
Shoot less and it'll last longer. NO ONE "needs" to shoot 400 rounds per week. Professional studies and personal experience training tells me you can either reliably hit your target or not after the first 2k anyhow. I've known and seen people not shoot for over a year, pick up a weapon and be pounding "X"s after only a couple of shots. Once that sight picture and muscle memory comes back...it comes back.
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JEBruns
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Same. Bought our first house at 10.9%, variable rate. And it went up about every 6 months. We just thought it was the new normal. I never thought we'd ever see interest rates like what they are now.
Good point. I don't like paying current prices for primers ($65 a box for CCI SPP/SRP at the local Bass Pro), but I can live with it. Still figures out to 17 cents a round even considering the price hikes. That's half the price of cheaper factory ammo. I do wish I could find it more consistently though.
The reason for all the internet griping about price and availability is because most of us understand that none of this had to happen. Lots of BS manipulation going on in the world and LOTS of common people see it. Hopefully they vote accordingly and primers go back to $30 per brick.
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Went down south to the big city this weekend and had time to do some shopping. Flat Iron steaks are running $15/pound on sale, $17/pound regular price. Skirt steaks were insanely high. I'd quit eating beef before I paid more than $5/pound for a $2 cut of meat. But that's me and I have a full freezer and neighbors who raise cattle so I'm still paying $5/pound for chuck eye round and $3/pound for shoulder roast.Not me. I'd quit shooting and wait them out first.
Q: Who's "them"? In any "us vs. them" discussion that's always my first question.
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CQB45ACP
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The cows?Went down south to the big city this weekend and had time to do some shopping. Flat Iron steaks are running $15/pound on sale, $17/pound regular price. Skirt steaks were insanely high. I'd quit eating before I paid more than $5/pound for a $2 cut of meat. But that's me and I have a full freezer and neighbors who raise cattle so I'm still paying $5/pound for chuck eye round and $3/pound for shoulder roast.
Q: Who's "them"? In any "us vs. them" discussion that's always my first question.
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BTW: "the first one" of these shortages/price increases I can recall was 1978 when the Carter administration lunched its assault on independent truckers. combined with the oil embargo, 55MPH speed limit and EPA regulations drove all consumer prices through the roof. I remember my uncle complaining about not being able to find powder and primers at "a decent price" which to him meant less than $5 a can for Unique and a penny a dozen for Federal 200's. I was just learning then but that first lesson - a steady supply at inflated prices is better than no supply at all - stuck good.2 cents on sale, 3 cents otherwise, at 8 cents plus now, so 5 cents plus. A very large percentage, which is how you need to look at it. I'm not getting out, I still have several thousand $14 per 1K sale primers, many $20 per 1 K sale primers, plus stock that is old enough I don't remember what I paid. Having been through this since the first one in 1994, I have stocked up every time there was a sale.
So, I'll be waiting patiently (or impatiently at times) to see where things settle out.
It's all relative, though. I think people who are stocking up at these prices are probably not being smart consumers but the alternative is the Vista's of the world decide there's just no profit in trying to satisfy a fickle market and stop selling reloading supplies to the general public. That means Vista and Hodgdon only sell to licensed manufacturers or volume purchasers with purchase orders on file. Before you say, "It can't happen," it most certainly can.
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Jim Watson
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That was one thing that got CCI started. Remington and Winchester were not then very supportive of reloading. They didn't completely refuse to sell components but they were not enthusiastic about it.
JEBruns
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True, I don't need to. But I want to and can afford to, so I'll keep it up. But yeah, if components ever got truly hard to get and I started running low (like under 10K primers), I'd probably adjust my shots per week down.
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When all these discussions about supply and cost come up I try to be real careful not to talk about my own supplies. It's not about me, it's not about the markets, it's about how individuals perceive the cost and availability of certain supplies. Maybe I'm sitting pretty on everything I need; what does that have to do with the BR shooter in Iowa who can't get the bullets he's put together all his loads with and now is either going to go into competition handicapped or sit it out for a season? What's my supply of Unique and SPP got to do with the seasonal hunter up in the Dakota's who can't get LRP and IMR 4064 for his .30-06 - at any price? My situation isn't the issue to my way of thinking. Saying over and over again, "I'm fine and if you aren't you're a moron who failed to plan. Bwaaa-hahahah!!" just isn't helpful.
We are starting to derail, I’m guilty too, and I have deleted a couple of posts.
We have hashed this over multiple times, it always goes the same way with opinions, and it won’t change anything, so we’re done for now.
We have hashed this over multiple times, it always goes the same way with opinions, and it won’t change anything, so we’re done for now.
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