EVERYONE HAS PRIMERS???

[Thomasss]

Supply and demand is the name of the game. As long as people are scooping them up at $60/m the price will sit there.
I did buy a brick or Federal Match SPP for $100 because I needed some. That was the only type available. Notice there is only 9mm FMJ unless you buy self defense ammo at a buck or more a round for HP or Honey Badger in any weight. American Mfr. are also beginning to lose their shirts over what the consumers can buy from foreign suppliers. That might wake some people up faster than just supply.

 

[blue32]

I bought 4,000 209s a week ago at .07/ea. Hazmat, shipping, and tax pushes it to .09. Its still 50% cheaper than buying factory. Last time I bought powder or primers was 6/1/19. I'm done waiting.

 

[N555]

Don't expect CCI/Winchester/Remington primers to go below 8 cents. Because that's about where the materials/labor/overhead put American production of primers, such that the company can still make any profit at all.

CCI/Winchester/Remington will just stop production, and send people home, if they aren't selling at 8 cents.

The foreign companies have not failed to notice this. Expect to see more foreign primers. Although, I don't trust ANY of the foreign primers for full 5.56 pressures unless the packaging says MAGNUM. And we haven't seen MAGNUM foreign primers in more than a decade.

You're gonna be paying 10-cents-plus for CCI 450/41/BR for the foreseeable future.

CCI 400's (and as far as I can tell all the foreign small rifle primers) are only 0.020" thickness (no good for full 5.56 pressure).

CCI 450/41/BR and Remington 7 1/2 are each 0.005" THICKER than 400's and the foreigns.

Winchester doesn't make a magnum small rifle primer. Avoid Winchester entirely for full 5.56 pressure.

The price of AMERICAN semi-skilled labor (primer-makers) has gone up. Way up. People won't come to work unless you pay them. You'll NEVER see 3-cent primers again because no AMERICAN will work for that little money.

These guys might work for less:
https://fb.watch/kQpFDhROB0/

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Already seen them for about 8 cents with shipping, hazmat and tax per brick and 7 cents per case.

 

[roval]

i swung by sportsman's warehouse today and bought 600 fiocchi small pistol primers/4 sleeves with my wife. they had cci spp for i think around 5.54/100 of course only 200 per person but they consistently have some.

 

[joneb]

Not that I don't worry about primers, but for me powder is a bigger concern. After the 2008 shortage I went overboard on primers but slacked on powder

 

[Durango_Dave]

Not that I don't worry about primers, but for me powder is a bigger concern. After the 2008 shortage I went overboard on primers but slacked on powder

You're lucky to have stocked up on primers.
For those that have not stocked up, the shortage affects primers more than powder. There are only 4 US companies that make primers (Federal, CCI, Remington and Winchester). There are lots of options for powders. My favorite powders have appeared to have gone extinct but I have found alternatives that I've never use before.

 

[JEBruns]

i swung by sportsman's warehouse today and bought 600 fiocchi small pistol primers/4 sleeves with my wife. they had cci spp for i think around 5.54/100 of course only 200 per person but they consistently have some.

So that tells me that primers can be sold for $55.40 per K and a profit can still be made on them. We are getting seriously screwed on primers that are any more expensive than that, IMO. I was well stocked and have not bought primers since they went north of $50 per K, and they are starting to sit on the shelf around here. Hopefully that will lead to better pricing in other stores beside Sportsman's Warehouse soon.

 

[ballman6711]

So that tells me that primers can be sold for $55.40 per K and a profit can still be made on them. We are getting seriously screwed on primers that are any more expensive than that, IMO

Maybe, or maybe not. As an example, I worked at a big box store that sold 2x4 8' boards for about a dollar a board less than our cost. When I asked why, I was told it was to get people in to buy them, and while they were there they would most likely buy all their other lumber, block, building supplies, etc... rather than making a second stop.

Sportsmans may be selling them at cost, or a very small profit, or possibly even a loss, in order to get people in the door in hopes of generating more sales throughout the store.

I do agree that it's possible they are making crazy profits, but if they are I doubt we'll ever know.

chris

 

[Mark_Mark]

i swung by sportsman's warehouse today and bought 600 fiocchi small pistol primers/4 sleeves with my wife. they had cci spp for i think around 5.54/100 of course only 200 per person but they consistently have some.

they have 2 Sportsman about 10 miles from each other. If I bought my Wife and In-law with me. I can get 900 each store. But That’s too much effort. My LGS has $90/1,000 CCI and that ZERO EFFORT. What’s your free time worth is what I ask myself.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Sportsmans may be selling them at cost, or a very small profit, or possibly even a loss, in order to get people in the door

That is my thinking also. If they are losing $1.50/k, but they are limiting you to only 200 per visit, they are only risking 30 cents to get you to come into the store that day. If you come in often enough, the odds are pretty good that you'll eventually buy something else

 

[9mmepiphany]

But That’s too much effort. My LGS has $90/1,000 CCI and that ZERO EFFORT. What’s your free time worth is what I ask myself.

There is always this to take into consideration.

My chiropractor's office is just down the street from a Sportsmans. I have to drive by their parking lot to get home anyway. Maybe I'll stop by and pick up a couple hundred next time. But it is really easier to order 10k Genix at $67/k and have them delivered...it's not worth the 24 cents difference, on 200, to make the stop

 

[Thomasss]

I bought 4,000 209s a week ago at .07/ea. Hazmat, shipping, and tax pushes it to .09. Its still 50% cheaper than buying factory. Last time I bought powder or primers was 6/1/19. I'm done waiting.

SOUNDS GREAT!. Next year you can then buy shot, and empties and start loading again! LOL

 

[roval]

they have 2 Sportsman about 10 miles from each other. If I bought my Wife and In-law with me. I can get 900 each store. But That’s too much effort. My LGS has $90/1,000 CCI and that ZERO EFFORT. What’s your free time worth is what I ask myself.

I'd buy a brick of 1000 cci spp for $90 if it was local without hazmat but only as needed. my lgs has $130/1000.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I'd buy a brick of 1000 cci spp for $90 if it was local without hazmat but only as needed. my lgs has $130/1000.

that’s what I’m doing, 2 packs at Sportsman when I get drive by and LGS primers if I need it

 

[JEBruns]

That is my thinking also. If they are losing $1.50/k, but they are limiting you to only 200 per visit, they are only risking 30 cents to get you to come into the store that day. If you come in often enough, the odds are pretty good that you'll eventually buy something else

Called loss leaders, which are illegal in about 50% of the States.

 

[Savage30L]

Our local Cabela's is charging $15.49/hundred or $154.90/thousand for large rifle primers.....

 

[Mark_Mark]

Our local Cabela's is charging $15.49/hundred or $154.90/thousand for large rifle primers.....

that’s a NOPE! it an’t 2021 anymore

 

[9mmepiphany]

Called loss leaders, which are illegal in about 50% of the States.

Illegal...really?

I wonder how Costco does it with their $5 roasted chickens

 

[ballman6711]

I'm also curious how it would be illegal. It seems to me that a "for profit" business could mark their wares at whatever price they want, whether they make a profit or a loss would be their business decision.

chris

 

[Tall]

Our local Cabela's is charging $15.49/hundred or $154.90/thousand for large rifle primers.....

That's more than double what the local Bass Pro Shop charges here in Broken Arrow, OK.

 

[MNRifleman]

FYI, AMERICAN RELOADING has CCI SPP in case quantities for $369.99 free shipping and hazmat. That’s $74/brick delivered. Not pre pandemic $25/brick but better than it was. I had a great backstock supply before all this insanity (I shoot USPSA 2 nights a week) but added a case to my supply…..they’ll be here tomorrow. Also, I was not charged tax or it was included in the $369.

https://americanreloading.com/484-primers

 

[Thomasss]

Illegal...really?
I wonder how Costco does it with their $5 roasted chickens

If one goes back into advertising law 40 years ago, it may have been illegal. But today, probably not. There are many legal ways to hide actual costs from Consumer Protection or IRS type people. In photography, for example, one could buy a large a large amount of cameras and get "dating", a delayed payment schedule or paying cash. And there are incentives if you paid it off early. Then apply those incentives against your lost leader items to reduce their appeared wholesale cost. State laws prevent a company from selling at or below cost. Called Minimum Mark-Up Laws, Wisconsin said one had to show a 3% profit. For example, "the dealer advertises a 'free" polarizing filter with every camera". The filter is advertised as "suggest list $25". However, by paying cash for cameras or paying the purchase off early, the dealer gets additional monies off. I personally knew a company that paid only $1.00 wholesale for each filter and that $1 was deducted from the cost of the camera. So, No Harm, No Foul.