$^&%&##@!!!!!!! primers

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What in the heck is going on with primers, still? I've seen none online, or a few at ridiculous prices, including $200 @ K, with perhaps a 25% discount.
Are they kidding?
Not a conspiracy theory guy, but is this an effort to force us to buy factory ammo?
If this doesn't ease after (hopefully) after a November red wave, I won't know what to think. Where are all the damned primers going?
Moon
 
What in hell is going on with primers, still? I've seen none online, or a few at ridiculous prices, including $200 @ K, with perhaps a 25% discount.
Are they kidding?
Not a conspiracy theory guy, but is this an effort to force us to buy factory ammo?
If this doesn't ease after (hopefully) after a November red wave, I won't know what to think. Where are all the damned primers going?
Moon
when your ready to come to the conspiracy FACTS! hit me up!

your on the right track!
 
Calm down and take a deep breath.

The light at the end of the tunnel has gotten brighter and primers, even SP primers have been available for some time and prices have been coming down, SLOWLY - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ead-link-required.910908/page-2#post-12429388
Small isn’t the problem. Large is still hard to come by. LP and LR. Take a look at the “Where are…” thread and compare the number of posts for SP/SR to the posts for LP/LR.
Part of the LP shortage may be related to the near obsolescence of that primer size since the introduction of SP .45ACP brass. It won’t be long before LP production is relegated to annual or on-demand only status.
 
What in hell is going on with primers, still? I've seen none online, or a few at ridiculous prices, including $200 @ K, with perhaps a 25% discount.
Are they kidding?
Not a conspiracy theory guy, but is this an effort to force us to buy factory ammo?
If this doesn't ease after (hopefully) after a November red wave, I won't know what to think. Where are all the damned primers going?
Moon
Which size and style are you looking for? SP & SR are available for as low as $75/1000 with free shipping when you buy in bulk. LR show up less frequently and LP are still in the “unobtainium” drawer. It seems like there’s two calibers in the world: 9mm and 5.56mm. If you shoot anything else you’re a dinosaur.
 
Personally I think the light at the end of the tunnel went out.
ATK owns 100% of the primer companies in the US and now have the ability to cut that production by 1/3 of what they were making before, if they want too and charge 3 times the price and there is no one to stop them.
What ever happened to the Shermin Anti-Trust act. Did it get repealed or is Biden and the Democrats ignoring it on purpose? When Dupont bought out Lafflin and Rand and IMR Powders in the 1910s and1920s they got broken up by the Government and Hercules Powder Company was born as an independent company as a result of breaking up the monopoly Dupont had.
So it didn't fly back then, why is it flying now! I'm not a conspiracy guy but I know the smell of dog crap when I smell it.
 
Personally I think the light at the end of the tunnel went out.
ATK owns 100% of the primer companies in the US and now have the ability to cut that production by 1/3 of what they were making before, if they want too and charge 3 times the price and there is no one to stop them.
What ever happened to the Shermin Anti-Trust act. Did it get repealed or is Biden and the Democrats ignoring it on purpose? When Dupont bought out Lafflin and Rand and IMR Powders in the 1910s and1920s they got broken up by the Government and Hercules Powder Company was born as an independent company as a result of breaking up the monopoly Dupont had.
So it didn't fly back then, why is it flying now! I'm not a conspiracy guy but I know the smell of dog crap when I smell it.
You mean VISTA. And VISTA has many many competitors including Olin (Winchester) which also produces primers if that’s your concern.

If you simply want more primers that’s not an anti trust issue which is so complex entire law firms specialize practicing it and earn gazillions. What happened 100 years ago…well, so what?

If ammo writ large is the issue nothing approaches a monopoly in the USA. How many ammo companies are there? Start counting and get back to me when you’re through.
 
Personally I think the light at the end of the tunnel went out.
ATK owns 100% of the primer companies in the US and now have the ability to cut that production by 1/3 of what they were making before, if they want too and charge 3 times the price and there is no one to stop them.
What ever happened to the Shermin Anti-Trust act. Did it get repealed or is Biden and the Democrats ignoring it on purpose? When Dupont bought out Lafflin and Rand and IMR Powders in the 1910s and1920s they got broken up by the Government and Hercules Powder Company was born as an independent company as a result of breaking up the monopoly Dupont had.
So it didn't fly back then, why is it flying now! I'm not a conspiracy guy but I know the smell of dog crap when I smell it.
Man I hope you are wrong. I started loading 19 months ago at the start of this tyrannic mess and never had a chance to stock up anything except brass.
 
Nabbed 1,500 Fed SPM's at Academy today. 7.99/100
Left ~4k~ Fed SPM Match's behind - 9.99/100 (No limits at Academy)
 
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Nabbed 1,500 Fed SPM's at Academy today. 7.99/100
Left ~4k~ Fed SPM Match's behind - 9.99/100
Again, small primers are no longer hard to find. Seen large pistol lately? Large rifle show up occasionally but you have to pay more and move quickly. If you delay long enough to follow the link in the email you’re too late.
Look, it’s a little frustrating, granted; but production is going to where the demand is. That’s just normal regardless of the economic system being followed. The situation will change when the production capacity is available. For now, finding the most popular stuff is getting better and finding the least popular stuff is still difficult. Patience.
 
ATK owns 100% of the primer companies in the US and now have the ability to cut that production by 1/3 of what they were making before, if they want too and charge 3 times the price and there is no one to stop them.
Man I hope you are wrong.
This is totally incorrect. ATK (Now Vista Outdoor) is independent from Olin-Winchester and Sig Sauer.

For decades, Federal (Parent company ATK, now Vista Outdoor) got US military contract to produce a lot of small arms ammunition.

That contract, mostly, recently went to Winchester who also manufactures primers - https://winchester.com/Support/Medi...arded-145M-US-Army-Pistol-Ammunition-Contract

Winchester was awarded a contract to manufacture .38 caliber, .45 caliber and 9mm ammunition with a potential value of $145,000,000. Winchester is the largest supplier of small-caliber ammunition to the U.S. Military, and this five-year contract award upholds Winchester’s position as the leading supplier of pistol ammunition to the U.S. Military.
Winchester also got the new 6.8mm ammunition contract -

Winchester, the largest manufactures of small-caliber ammunition for the U.S. military ... will perform ammunition development, as well as analyze manufacturing facility requirements and plan production capacity for the military’s 6.8 mm Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) program.

Work will be performed at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant (LCAAP) in Independence, Mo. It is the United States’ only government-owned, contractor-operated small-caliber ammunition production facility. The contracts were awarded under Winchester’s $8 billion contract to operate LCAAP.
Along with 5.56/7.62 NATO and .50 Cal - https://www.guns.com/news/2022/05/02/winchester-grabs-51-million-army-ammo-contract

The Pentagon recently announced that Mississippi-based Olin-Winchester was the winner of a large contract for small arms ammunition.

The U.S. Army Contracting Command at Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, last week announced Oxford, Mississippi-based Winchester was awarded a $51,828,706 contract modification. The award includes the manufacture of 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO, and .50 caliber ammunition, with the funds obligated from current Army budgets to cover the entire award.

And Sig Sauer, who also manufactures primers got military contract also - https://www.guns.com/news/2022/06/13/sig-sauer-wins-157-million-sniper-rifle-ammo-contract

New Hampshire-based Sig Sauer recently picked up a nine-figure award from the U.S. Army Contracting Command for .300 and .338 Norma Magnum ammunition.

Announced by the Pentagon on June 7, the $157.3 million firm-fixed-price contract covers production of .300 Norma Magnum 215-grain M1163 ball ammunition and .338 NM 300-grain armor-piercing M1162 cartridges for the Army. Although not a standard round for most U.S. military small arms – that's reserved for 5.56 and 7.62 NATO along with the new 6.8 NGSW Common Cartridge – the Army and Marines are both using .300 NM and .338 NM in the MK22 Advanced Sniper Rifle program.
Personally I think the light at the end of the tunnel went out
This is also totally incorrect.

My sentiment is that US primer manufacturers are producing primers at 24/7/365 basis to meet demand from not only military/LE contracts but from historic sale of over 100 million guns sold the past decade and have been averaging 20-36 million guns sold each year in recent years. (That's A LOT of guns to feed ammunition with)

And as already demonstrated, foreign primer manufacturers are more than willing to step in to fill any void that domestic primer manufacturers can't meet.

As we are witnessing, price of ammunition has fallen with inventory improving which will propagate to primer prices falling and inventory improving.

Fact is, the light at the end of the tunnel is burning brighter and brighter.
 
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As we are witnessing, price of ammunition has fallen with inventory improving which will propagate to primer prices falling and inventory improving.
Well, no, not really. This is what QC people refer to as a post-hoc fallacy. The ammo that is being sold at stores and online is almost entirely 9mm and 5.56mm “blasting ammo.” Hunting and sport ammunition, home and self defense ammunition (in calibers other than 9mm) and ammunition designed for accuracy (in effectively “obsolete” calibers) like .32Long or .38Spl are still hard to find and expensive when found. It’s deceptive at the least to say, “[the] price of ammunition has fallen,” when the price of only one caliber and type of ammunition has dropped to below the highly inflated prices of the previous two years.
If all a shooter cares about is mag-dumping 9mm and/or 5.56, the situation is improving. Everyone else just needs to be patient. Or sell everything and buy a 9mm handgun/PCC and an AR in 5.56mm. Either/Or.
 
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