Pro-gun lobby strengthened following US campus shooting

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by Stephanie Griffith Sun Apr 22, 3:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The powerful US gun lobby, far from being weakened by last week's tragic college campus shooting, actually has emerged stronger, gun advocates said, stepping up calls Sunday for a better-armed US citizenry to prevent future attacks.
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Gun rights advocates said that following last week's massacre, in which 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui fatally shot 32 victims at Virginia Tech University, gun control forces will be hard pressed to make the case for tighter restrictions.

"This is a huge nail in the coffin of gun control," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the gun rights group Virginia Citizens Defense League.

"They had gun control on campus and it got all those people killed, because nobody could defend themselves," he told AFP.

"You want people to be able to defend themselves -- always," he said.

Van Cleave said the tragedy could give a boost to a years-long effort in Virginia to pass legislation allowing students to carry weapons on campus -- especially since existing laws failed to prevent Cho's murderous rampage.

"Gun control failed. That student under university rules was not to have a gun," Van Cleave said.

"Come legislative season, which is in January, we're going to be fighting to get a bill put in again -- the third year in a row now and hopefully this time it will pass -- that would let students that are over 21 with a permit ... carry concealed self-defense," he said.

The bill, which would also allow any faculty member possessing a concealed carry permit to carry a concealed weapon, has a "greatly enhanced" chance of passage following the Virginia Tech shooting, Van Cleave said.

The southeastern state where the shootings took place allows anyone 21 years of age or older and holding a concealed handgun permit to carry a weapon.

That is not true, however of college campuses, where most universities have a strict prohibition against carrying guns -- much to the chagrin of the state's pro-gun activists.

Other gun rights advocates echo Van Cleave's view that had even one Virginia Tech student or faculty member been armed, last week's carnage might have been prevented.

"The only person who is responsible to defend you is you -- the police are incapable of defending each and every one of us all the time," said Mike Stollenwerk, 44, co-founder of OpenCarry.org, a Virginia-based gun-rights networking group.

"Citizens have an inherent right to be able to defend themselves," he said, speaking last week to The Washington Times newspaper.

"You can't always have a policeman on every street corner to take care of you. Whenever you have a bunch of gun-control laws that prohibit people from carrying, the ones with the guns are the criminals."

Many had expected that the Virginia Tech rampage would be a rallying cry for gun control activists, but that has not turned out to be the case.

Even the mass killings at Colorado's Columbine High School in 1999 failed to result in gun-control legislation, despite the emotional outcry over those shootings.

The reaction has been even more muted following last week's tragedy, the deadliest school shooting in US history.

US politicians have shown little inclination to introduce new gun control legislation in a country where an estimated 40 percent of US households own a gun and where for many the constitutional right to bear arms is seen as sacred.

Reports that Cho's past brush with mental health authorities should have prevented him from being able to purchase a firearm is prompting a legislative reaction, however.

US Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Carolyn McCarthy (news, bio, voting record) on Sunday announced plans to introduce federal bill requiring states to send critical mental health information to the federal government, which will allow them to screen out those who don't qualify to own firearms.

US media reported Sunday that a similar proposed bill in California impose mandatory background checks for buyers of handgun ammunition, require a face-to-face purchase instead of by mail, and require gun shops to store ammunition behind counters.

Schumer said about his bill that federal gun laws are only as the records provided by states.

"Our legislation, had it been in place last week, may well have stopped last weeks unspeakable tragedy," Schumer said in a statement.

copy and paste from yahoo news.
 
Even the mass killings at Colorado's Columbine High School in 1999 failed to result in gun-control legislation, despite the emotional outcry over those shootings.

Not, of course, unless you want to cound the loss of civil rights in Colorado.

US Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Carolyn McCarthy (news, bio, voting record) on Sunday announced plans to introduce federal bill requiring states to send critical mental health information to the federal government, which will allow them to screen out those who don't qualify to own firearms.

Trusting the federal government to "screen out those who don't qualify to own firearms" is like asking the coyotes to screen out chickens that don't qualify for FDA inspection.
 
AMEN, there is going to be a push to get legislation passes that would allow CCW on campuses in MS. Welll we are going to try in the next legislative session.
 
Possibly useful in this context is the recent incident in which the 1944 Miss America stopped several robbers and had them arrested.

Venus Ramey is 82 years old. She uses a walker. But she has a .38 caliber revolver.

When a CNN interviewer expressed admiration of ability to defend herself with that gun, Venus Ramey said "I was raised to protect myself and always have."

That very old woman is a convincing response to anti-gun people who believe that people are safer when they are defenseless. This is the second time that Venus Ramey protected herself with her .38.

Van Cleave is a pit bull where gun rights in Virginia are involved. I almost feel sorry for legislators who think they can prevail over him and the VCDL.
 
<quote>Not, of course, unless you want to cound the loss of civil rights in Colorado.<quote>

What civil rights did we lose? Not trying to argue, just wondering.
 
something about the tone of the article bothers me ... i'm not sure the parents of the 32 dead students would be so thrilled about the headline.

i am 100% pro gunny but just wanted to throw this in.

flame away.
 
This article appears, to me at least, to be nuetral on gun control at worst and pro-gun at best, but feel free to disagree. I would ask that someone provide a link to the article as suggested in Bartholomew Roberts' post here.
 
A family who lost someone at VT isn't going to be automatically anti-gun...especially if their son/daughter had a permit.
 
The tone is condescending at best

This section particularly bothers me.

[1] Many had expected that the Virginia Tech rampage would be a rallying cry for gun control activists, but that has not turned out to be the case.

[2] Even the mass killings at Colorado's Columbine High School in 1999 failed to result in gun-control legislation, despite the emotional outcry over those shootings.

[3] The reaction has been even more muted following last week's tragedy, the deadliest school shooting in US history.

US politicians have shown little inclination to introduce new gun control legislation in a country where an estimated 40 percent of US households own a gun and where for many the constitutional right to bear arms is seen as sacred.

The tone in sentence one suggests the general population (and by extension, the writer) is disappointed at the lack of outcry. and that the americans are somehow crazy for the lack of out-cry against [inanimate] guns.

and when supported by sentences two and three, that last paragraph smacks of criticism that the politicians are not doing their jobs -- with a hidden assumption that the right act is gun control.

I don't care if the writer tried to clean up his/her anti-gun civil right attitude or if the writer has sinisterly injected hidden subliminal messages in this piece. The tone was at best begrudgingly neutral on gun rights.
 
I would certainly think...

the pro-defense side would be strengthened.

If nothing else the VT shootings show the utter stupidity in thinking the police will arrive in time. Not saying or implying anything bad about the police..just recognizing the reality of time/space/limited number of police available at any given time.

There were bunches of police, on campus, some 1/4 a mile or so away, actively looking for someone who had just shot 2 people and still the gunman managed to kill 30 more before the police were able to respond from what was a very hot standby condition.

Imagine how much time he would have had and how many people he could have killed if he hadn't put the local constabulary in hyper alert with the double murder in the dorm.

migoi
 
Maybe it is overall helping the pro rkba movement, but not here in Mass. We are going to see several Anti gun bills introduced this year, that will further restrict our rights. We can say good bye to .50 Cal BMGs and hello to more paper work when buying firearms, waiting periods, and one gun a month.
 
"RG" is actually "Rohm Gesellschaft" (Rohm Factory), a German firm, but after their import was banned in 1968, they were manufactured in the US, and the US manufacturers kept the model designations.
 
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