Progressive press for .223/5.56?

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All right, many think I have a thing against Dillon. That is not the case, they make a fine press. But they made that fine press 40+ years ago AT&T made fine phones 40+ years ago Quasar, Zenith, and RCA made fine tv's 40+ years ago. Now you can't fine a AT&T phone a Quasar, Zenith, or a RCA tv.

While you can't buy any press Dillon made 40+ years ago you bring up a good point.

I have had a few of my Dillon's for over 30 years and they still send me parts when I need them for free and have sent me the upgrades they have made to them over the decades for free too.

In that same time frame other companies have created new presses and discontinued them and no longer support them. RCBS has done it the most but if you are old enough to remember the Projector, you'll remember Hornady did it too.

Looks familiar but if you need a critical part, your out of luck.

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I will never understand
I am a brand new member today! My first post, I have a question about reloading for the .223. I have been shooting an AR for a few weeks now, and I realize that unlike all of my other rifles, I won't be able to keep up with my RCBS Rockchucker. Simply too slow. Is there a progressive press that can spew out .223 like a .45 ACP that people have experience with? I have been loading for 20 years, for at least a dozen calibers, but never for a high volume rifle. All of my handguns (except my CCP) are revolvers, so even they can be done on the RCBS.

thanks ahead of time.
I will never understand why post like this one turn into the battle of this press over that press, this color over that color. People will bad mouth what they don't have.

Pretty much any of the press offerings on the market will load .223Rem with very few issues if the operator has some limited or more mechanical skills. The fact is, some people lack motor skills to operate a screw driver let alone a progressive press. Old saying, "A poor craftsman blames his tools", holds true in any mechanical discipline. I believe it applies even more in the world of reloading.
 
I will never understand why post like this one turn into the battle of this press over that press, this color over that color. People will bad mouth what they don't have.

I wasn't intending to bad mouth. I have owned progressives from Lee, Hornady, RCBS and Dillon. There is not one machine offered by anyone that can't be improved upon.
 
Question: I usually use a Lee factory crimp die on everything said:
The Lee factory crimp die works in a progressive press just like any other die. Just make sure there are enough die positions in the press to accommodate it.
 
Thank you all for the replies...I didn't mean to start a flame war. The specialty shop owner in my area (Gunstop) is a Dillon guy, and stocks all of the parts. He does have a couple other presses on hand, but mostly blue stuff. I'll probably go with Dillon for that reason alone.
 
I don't want to start a new thread, but I just got 2000 mixed weight SP bullets from RMR. They appear to be Speer Gold Dot LE .223... in 62-64 grain. I weighed a bunch last night and they are truly a mixed bag of 62-64 grains.

I am not going to weigh and sort 2000 bullets. I am going to use Varget (I have 16 lbs. of it). The Hodgdon web site lists a Sierra 63 grain SP bullet with a starting charge of 24.5 gr and a max charge of 26.4, I am planning on using a 25 Gr charge for all of them. Does anybody see a problem with that? thx
 
Thank you all for the replies...I didn't mean to start a flame war. The specialty shop owner in my area (Gunstop) is a Dillon guy, and stocks all of the parts. He does have a couple other presses on hand, but mostly blue stuff. I'll probably go with Dillon for that reason alone.
You can't beat local service and experience.
 
I don't want to start a new thread, but I just got 2000 mixed weight SP bullets from RMR. They appear to be Speer Gold Dot LE .223... in 62-64 grain. I weighed a bunch last night and they are truly a mixed bag of 62-64 grains.

I am not going to weigh and sort 2000 bullets. I am going to use Varget (I have 16 lbs. of it). The Hodgdon web site lists a Sierra 63 grain SP bullet with a starting charge of 24.5 gr and a max charge of 26.4, I am planning on using a 25 Gr charge for all of them. Does anybody see a problem with that? thx
If you are loading for fun shooting that should be fine. Your choice of going with what you have for local dealer support is as good a reason as any. Happy reloading!!
 
but if you are old enough to remember the Projector, you'll remember Hornady did it too.
Yep, retired it and went with an LNL. I like the ergonomics of it, YMMV. Their is no doubt Dillon has remained largely unchanged over the years and still supports their presses. Something to consider.
 
I consider these blue vs green vs red vs orange discussions to be all in good natured, good humor, intermural ribbing. At least as it relates to me anyway.
 
I consider these blue vs green vs red vs orange discussions to be all in good natured, good humor, intermural ribbing. At least as it relates to me anyway.
Sounds strangely erotic...oh, RIBBING, I thought you said rubbing.
 
I just picked up my first progressive press, a dillon XL650 after only using a single-stage and then the Lee Classic Turret press. I now get why the Dillon Fanbois love Dillon. They are great presses without doubt. Incredible technology and build quality with a great attention to detail. Does that make them better than any of the others? Probably not, but I do see see why the boys in blue love to toot their blue horns. Really a great product.

I never really "got it" before, and have grown tired at times of the blue crew always chiming in about how Dillon is the only press to buy. I get why they say this now, but that is only based on my limited experience. I have never used any other progressive press (other than just playing at another friend's house). I considered buying a Hornady L-n-L about a year ago, and I am sure I would have been just as happy.

Look for the features you want, and choose your poison.
 
:) Drainsmith.......let me guess ... your wife was wearing red the day you met her! Mine was wearing green. And what's my favorite color in the spring........green.:)

baby blue in a man cave? That's just plain wrong!;) Okay, outside it looks better and we can call it sky blue.....I do like blue sky.

I almost started an April Fools thread yesterday, but someone beat me to it. Mine would have said, "Check out Dillons brand new 10 station press" That would have caused a stampede.... and I might have gotten death threats.
 
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It's not going to be as easy as 45ACP because you are going to need to trim. That can be done quickly though, I use a 650 to size and trim to length on the first pass.

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Mr Morris
has told you correctly. Don't be fooled by some of the videos on this thread. All bottleneck cases have to be sized, then trimmed to length, and that's what consumes most of your time.

Progressives are faster because they:
1) Work on more than one case at a time
2) Cut out all the physical handling between stages

So, most any brand of progressive press is going to a) size and de-prime. Then the 223 case has to come out of the press (handled) to be b) trimmed (handled again) and possibly cleaned. Then go back into the press (handled yet again) for c) primer and powder, then lastly d) bullet seating. But because the 223 case has to come out of the press, 223 will NEVER load as fast as say 9mm or 45ACP. And all this extra handling reduces the advantage of having a "progressive" press. So while using a progressive is faster than a single stage press, bottle neck rifle cartridges reduce the output speed by a large percentage.

The ONLY exception to this is the Dillon trimmer which allows in-press trimming so that the case will progress through the various stages without the addition (and loss of time) of human intervention.

Now to be fair, you could adapt the Dillon in-press trimmer to most any progressive press. And, you need to connect the Dillon trimmer to a shop vac. So besides the added cost, there is also added noise that a normal bench trimmer doesn't have.

Hope this makes sense.
 
:) Drainsmith.......let me guess ... your wife was wearing red the day you met her! Mine was wearing green. And what's my favorite color in the spring........green.:)

My wife was wearing an outfit based on the Azerbaijan national flag of 1919 when I met her so my reloading room is populated with equipment of appropriate colors.

I find they all have strength and weaknesses. For my reloading needs, I like the flexibility of the Hornady L-N-L bushing system most of the time. I'm always putting dies in different locations to accomplish tasks differently. But there are a few cartridges that just load better on other progressive presses.
 
OK, now, how many of us went to look for the
Azerbaijan national flag of 1919
to see which colors Chuck likes?

How many of us know where Azerbaijan is?

For the record, my bench is Red - Green - Red. In reserve there is another shade of Red.

OP, welcome to THR. We do like to pound our chests (benches) about our equipment.

RFwobbly and others are steering you right. With rifle cases, notably 223, you don't get the full benefit of progressive loading. You have to trim and deal with the crimped primer pockets whether on the press or off.

I use my RCBS single stage to size/deprime 223 and most other rifle brass. Once I've deprimed a bunch, I take care of crimped pockets. Check length and trim as needed. When ready I bring the prepped brass to the Hornady LNL for primer, powder, and bullet seating.

Oh, another tidbit -- apparently the Special Forces units of Azerbaijan use Tavors.
 
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I load .223 on a Dillon 550B, and think that it does a nice job.

Same here.
Yes, you can spend a LOT less, but my own experience has been VERY poor using the cheapest progressive.
I don't wanna bash anyone or anything, but I can speak from experience.
I get a LOT more satisfaction on my 2 Dillon 550s, than I did on any other press.

While yes, I have to trim & chamfer, I can still charge, seat the bullet & crimp on my 550

26gr of Varget under a 55gr BTFMJ
2.225 OAL gets me just under 3,000 FPS
AR15A1 20" 1 in 9
 
650 with case feeder, dillon super swage 600 for crimped primer pockets, giraud tri wy for trimming. Done.
 
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