Proof - Constitution is no longer valid

[tmajors]

an A in a college prep course counted for 4 points toward your GPA, but an A in an AP or Honors course counted 5 points.

This is a fairly recent development. Students were figuring out that if they got a B in an AP course they were bringing their grades down so they elected to go the regular route and get the A's instead and keep their grades up.

Some schools the scale for AP is not based on the A+ but all on the scale. An "F" is still 0 points but a "D" is 2 instead of 1 and an "A" is 5 instead of 4. C's and B's scale respectively as well.

This rewards the kids for actually qualifying for an AP class instead of punishing them if they take an AP class but don't score quite as high as if they would in a normal class.

 

[TallPine]

All I know is one A- in college blew my 4.0 GPA to something like 3.97 (I know, I know, that pride thing)

And that despite several A+ each semester

Though maybe the kid is lucky ... staying out of the Marines might save his life

 

[Green Lantern]

Forget creative writing. Too much boneheaded extrapolation.
Write like a lawyer. Stay out of trouble. Zoning and Variances, that's where it's at.

Problem with that is, if that was how he approached the assignment, he'd have flunked it...

Which in the end, might have been better for him!

I hope that the next "creative writing" assignment that over-reacting teacher of theirs gives, the students all just copy an entry in the encyclopedia or an instruction manual or something...

 

[Green Lantern]

:banghead: Double Tap

 

[Autolycus]

If you all read the link to the other thread you will see a copy of the assignment he was given. In addition a few more articles and a video with some more information.

 

[Warren]

That's the last thing the Marines need, someone with a potty mouth and an interest in weapons.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Warren:
That's the last thing the Marines need, someone with a potty mouth and an interest in weapons.

You do realize that sounds like the majority of Marines I have met.

 

[salthouse]

If the kid was not Asian, do you think this would have happened?

 

[thexrayboy]

The teacher should be horsewhipped for telling this guy to be creative, not worry about censorship and then turning around and ratting the guy out because he did as instructed. Strike that.....I would never whip a horse near as thoroughly as this idiot teacher needs to be whipped.

 

[Mumwaldee]

I had to write an essay about fluffy bunnies and love at the MEPS station before they let me in. I never understood why I was the only one following the red tape...

 

[pdowg881]

what kinds of charges can they even put on him? He didn't even do anything illegal that I'm aware of.

 

[Warren]

Quote:
Originally posted by Warren:

That's the last thing the Marines need, someone with a potty mouth and an interest in weapons.

You do realize that sounds like the majority of Marines I have met.

 

[jeepmor]

So there is no freedom of speech for this guy. Being over 18, he's an adult isn't he? Regardless of his paper's content, he should be free to write whatever it is he wants. If it plops him in front of counselors and what not, okay then, but why aren't we defending his right to speak his mind, no matter what comes out of it.

What am I missing here?

 

[SAG0282]

This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

I wasn't even 15 years old before I started reading Stephen King. Stories included a woman who, while tied to a bed, kicks her husband in the groin for not respecting "no" and killing him. A killer clown that kills people in rather vicious ways. A shop whose presence brings out the very worst in people. I enjoyed his books and his style and the shock factor. How is that much different from writing that way? Teens that age, particularly men that haven't been emasculated by liberalism enjoy that kind of thing....horror movies like Hostel and SAW (mainstream movies), etc. Some of you saying "he's deranged" or "the Corps doesn't need that sort of thing" are way the Hell off base.

Expulsion MAY be one thing...only because other kids deserve a quiet environment to learn in, and if they fear this young man and/or the controversy threatens to distract them, fine. Move him. But criminal charges and dismissal from a Corps that does moral waivers for a variety of things? Give me a break.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Sorry, but this example with the kid does not prove anything about the Constitution. Pass judgment after due process has occurred, not before. Freedom of speech does not come without freedom of consequence of speech.

Yes, the charges sound hokey and if they really are, then this should be corrected in court. Due process is part of our system.

 

[JWarren]

And this, good sirs, is why the vast majority of my writing goes into bound books that I tuck safely into trunks in my attic.

While I don't think any of my writing would get me into trouble, I do know that views held contrary to the "majority" position held openly often carries with it a certain penalty element. You start noticing clients leaving, the phone rings less, LEO's less forgiving of basic things, etc.

Besides....

I kinda like leaving a cache of writings in an old trunk for my decendents to find and realize "Wow... great-grampa JWarren was nuts!"

Someone has to be the skeleton in the family closet. May as well be me.


Side note: I probably get this from being the 13th John Warren in our family history. Something is just WRONG about seeing your name all over tombstones while growing up-- Which is why I think my kid will be named something like "Bob."



-- John

 

[GoSlash27]

“Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did.”

Assignment: ‘Be creative’

A+
It may be stilted, but it certainly is creative.

 

[grimjaw]

He's got a good GPA, but not a lick of common sense.

Disagree. I'm with Derek on this one.

When I was in high school, many centuries ago, there was a very bright kid named Chris. He was constantly in trouble for pushing the limits of the teachers. He was not in any way violent, he never openly disobeyed the teachers nor was he disrespectful. He was just very bright and bored in a sub-standard high school. Example:

"Mrs. Smith, can I climb out the window?"
"Sure, Chris."
<proceeds to climb out the window, gets sent to principal's office>

Chris went on to finish two bachelor's degrees in physics and mathematics (simultaneously), with a minor in some kind of fluid research. Last I heard he was studying with Van Allen (yes, the one with the belt named after him), and running his own software company.

The kid from Illinois might have been ill-advised to write the things he did, but the punishment they've inflicted is unwarranted. But hey, it's Illinois and I expect things like that from there.

On the other hand, if the kid is as bright as I suspect he won't let the bastards get him down.

jm

 

[SSN Vet]

we're stuck in a weird position as a society (thank you libs!). schools cannot act on these things until the law is broken... but once the law is broken, it usually takes the form of a gun slaughter and the libs whine about no action being taken beforehand.

a perceptive insight!

 

[JohnBT]

I still say he must be out of touch if he didn't know what he wrote would be unacceptable at school in this day and age. Not unlike saying the word bomb while standing in line at the airport. Unfair, but predictable.
__________

"Kids do what kids do. Did I ever mention I wrecked my first car by being stupid?"

Did I ever mention some friends and I removed the centerpost on the fire doors and put the drama club teacher's VW bug in the lobby of the high school gym? Then we put the post back.

It took them 3 hours to figure out that the post was removeable. (And a hint: You have to lean down hard on the bumpers to get the fenders under the pushbars on the fire doors.)

But I never put things down on paper though. Learned that lesson passing notes in second grade.

John

 

[General Geoff]

It's not a question of whether he should have known it'd be unacceptable; it's the fact that the faculty (his teacher in particular) found it inappropriate, when it was, in fact, not.

There are two sides to every story, I think I'll side with the kid. Sure he could have exercised better discretion, and that would have worked out better for him. But when discretion fails, principle comes to the aide of the righteous.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

Assignment: ‘Be creative’
The teacher told students: “‘Be creative; there will be no judgment and no censorship,”’

Lesson #1 for this kid: never trust The Man.

 

[Crunker1337]

To criminally persecute this young man would be a disgusting infringement to First Amendment rights. You can expell him, drop him from Marines, even suggest that he go to a mental institution, but he did NOTHING illegal that I'm aware of.