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BHP FAN
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The problem with allowing magazines to be called ''clips'', is that it's the same kind of thinking that allows the dumbed down masses to refer to semi-automatic firearms as ''assault rifles''.
R.W.Dale
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Rifles, pistols, shotguns and revolvers ARE NOT guns.
THIS is a gun.
You see you me nor anyone else here is being especially correct in our terminology.
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Why? If we're going to be consistent about calling things by the proper terms then lets get REALLY correct.
But even then mils still do not = millimeters. The word millimeter has an abbreviation and that abbreviation is MM. Unlike with guns,clips,magazines where its an argument about the English language millimeters and mils is MATH and as such there's only one correct and everything else is WRONG
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But even then mils still do not = millimeters. The word millimeter has an abbreviation and that abbreviation is MM. Unlike with guns,clips,magazines where its an argument about the English language millimeters and mils is MATH and as such there's only one correct and everything else is WRONG
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When I was in the Marines (I was a foreign weapons instructor for my unit among other things) I commonly referred to firearms as "gats" or "gat pieces," and the Beretta M9/M9A1 was almost always referred to as the "nine-mil."
I think the key here is context. If I'm with my fellow Marines, I like to sarcastically use slang because it's out of place among armed professionals and therefore amusing to me.
The thing that bothers me more than anything isn't the magazines/clips deal (although that does grate on my ears), it's the pronunciation of acronyms as words. Example: UMP is and acronym for "Universal Machine Pistol" and not a word that you say. Same thing with AUG, so please stop calling it the "Awg."
I'm also really hypocritical on that because I make exception for CETME when pronounced "set-me" because that's an awfully long name otherwise, and SPAS-12, and FN-MAG58. I'll admit that there's really no way for anybody to be correct in my eyes on this unless they happen to share my exact like/dislike for the way things sound when pronounced as words vice acronyms.
I think the key here is context. If I'm with my fellow Marines, I like to sarcastically use slang because it's out of place among armed professionals and therefore amusing to me.
The thing that bothers me more than anything isn't the magazines/clips deal (although that does grate on my ears), it's the pronunciation of acronyms as words. Example: UMP is and acronym for "Universal Machine Pistol" and not a word that you say. Same thing with AUG, so please stop calling it the "Awg."
I'm also really hypocritical on that because I make exception for CETME when pronounced "set-me" because that's an awfully long name otherwise, and SPAS-12, and FN-MAG58. I'll admit that there's really no way for anybody to be correct in my eyes on this unless they happen to share my exact like/dislike for the way things sound when pronounced as words vice acronyms.
The problem here is that you (very loudly) seem to want it both ways.
You want to get on people for abbreviating millimeter to mil, okay...
But then you call magazines clips.
Yeah...that isn't trolling or anything. Not at all. lol
To OP, as someone who works with metric units all day, I and everyone In my field will abbreviate milliliters and millimeters to mil. It becomes very awkward and unnecessary to say millimeter and milliliter every single time when a common conversation references the units multiple times at my job. Everyone knows what 9 mil is short for when discussing guns I have no problem with people say nine mil when they mean 9 millimeter.
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Shotguns are refered to as guns.
R.W.Dale
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Likes the above post.
As long as we don't do like the English and decide the letter Z actually has a spelling we're doing OK
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As long as we don't do like the English and decide the letter Z actually has a spelling we're doing OK
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R.W.Dale
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Spelling bee ;-)
When you think about it the English language is so fundamentally retarded you know that ESL folks laugh at these discussions.
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How has this gotten 40 replies?
R.W.Dale
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It is a Monday evening
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yep. happy monday.
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My new years resolution is to only measure things in cubits.
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I can't believe that in a post complaining about the shortening of "9 millimeter" to "9 mil", you misspelled "which"..... twice.... in the same line.... they were almost touching.
Now if you'll excuse me from this inane exercise in semantics, I have some 9 mil clips to organize, and a C Zed gun to clean.
Now if you'll excuse me from this inane exercise in semantics, I have some 9 mil clips to organize, and a C Zed gun to clean.
Wrong again, that is a cannon.Rifles, pistols, shotguns and revolvers ARE NOT guns.
THIS is a gun.
You see you me nor anyone else here is being especially correct in our terminology.
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No its a gun served by a gun crew of wich two or more constitutes a battery
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/artillery
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Now is not the time to be a cranky old codger and get wrapped up in semantics with someone that doesn't know any better. I think it's fair to say that there's greater issues at hand than CNN calling a magazine a clip, for example.
No, it doesn't make them less of a person/entity because they're not heavily into the hobby/culture, and are bought into the fraud that popular culture has fed them for decades. They simply don't know any better. Maybe the media does, but that's a lost cause anyways, let's focus on the individual. Yes, there may be a time to educate them, but now is not that time.
Frigs sakes man, you correct someone that says "9mil" or "clip" or whatever, your door for making any other case is automatically closed.
No, it doesn't make them less of a person/entity because they're not heavily into the hobby/culture, and are bought into the fraud that popular culture has fed them for decades. They simply don't know any better. Maybe the media does, but that's a lost cause anyways, let's focus on the individual. Yes, there may be a time to educate them, but now is not that time.
Frigs sakes man, you correct someone that says "9mil" or "clip" or whatever, your door for making any other case is automatically closed.
BHP FAN
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Wrong. When you allow sloppy semantics you end up with terms such as ''assault rifle'' being applied to semi-automatic firearms. People that don't know any better, are only ill informed, not stupid, and they need only to be educated, to be better informed.
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not very well, and that includes the ''greater issues at hand''. When you allow people to lump semi-autos with machine guns you end up with ''assault rifle'' bans.
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The point of words is to communicate an idea. "Assault" anything is just used to convey fear, evil, intimidation, etc. I definitely agree we need to counter that as much as possible, and we should try to use proper terms amongst ourselves as well, but sometimes you can let it slide! For instance:
If someone asks, "Where can I get a clip for my Glock?" it gets the point across.
If someone asks, "What's the best 9mil pistol on the market?" it gets the point across. It is a loaded question, but there it is.
Neither phrase makes you sound smart, and if people want to be taken more seriously, they can learn the proper terms. Most people just don't care that much.
I know about mils, to me that is a measurement for bags (plastic thickness) and sheet metal (although I use gage in sheet metal, I could convert between the two). I can't imagine it causing confusion on a gun forum. Now the confusion between 9x19, 9x18, 9x17 is another matter entirely, although I think unless it is specified, it is commonly accepted that 9mm means 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm.
Personally, I think saying "nine-mil" makes more sense than writing it, since "9mm" is easier and shorter to type than "9mil" but that's beside the point.
BTW, the fact you used "PSA" in a gun forum was more confusing to me than anyone ever using "mil" instead of "mm" because I am so conditioned to think of Palmetto State Armory whenever I see it now.
If someone asks, "Where can I get a clip for my Glock?" it gets the point across.
If someone asks, "What's the best 9mil pistol on the market?" it gets the point across. It is a loaded question, but there it is.
Neither phrase makes you sound smart, and if people want to be taken more seriously, they can learn the proper terms. Most people just don't care that much.
I know about mils, to me that is a measurement for bags (plastic thickness) and sheet metal (although I use gage in sheet metal, I could convert between the two). I can't imagine it causing confusion on a gun forum. Now the confusion between 9x19, 9x18, 9x17 is another matter entirely, although I think unless it is specified, it is commonly accepted that 9mm means 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm.
Personally, I think saying "nine-mil" makes more sense than writing it, since "9mm" is easier and shorter to type than "9mil" but that's beside the point.
BTW, the fact you used "PSA" in a gun forum was more confusing to me than anyone ever using "mil" instead of "mm" because I am so conditioned to think of Palmetto State Armory whenever I see it now.
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