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Sorry danez71, I was trying NOT to be derogatory...I was actually thinking something much worse, and was merely looking for a polite way to put it.;)
 
I think all you folks need to quit worrying about terminology, it's doing exactly zero. People are going to use slang in all walks of life.
 
Some things this thread and others like it have taught me.


A.) Folks who claim that they don't care what other folks do are the ones that tend to get the most upset when those other folks don't agree with them.

B.) Just cause folks are anal about something, shouldn't mean they have to be a rectal orifice to others that aren't.

C.) Same folks that pound their chest and claim that using correct terminology puts them above those that don't....still lower themselves to arguing on the internet(can't get any more stupid than that).

D.) Still the same ol' coupla of folks that feel the need to call folks names and belittle others when discussion doesn't get the results they want.

E.) Folks that insist others always use the correct terminology, pride themselves on calling lead projectiles "Boolits".

Last time I checked, one did not need to be a English major to be a active, contributing member on an internet gun forum. I thought the common bond here is firearms, not proper grammar and that the intended usage was to exchange knowledge and opinions about firarms in a polite and friendly way. Anybody that has been on a gun forum for more than a month knows darn well what someone means when they say "clip" "casing" or "9mil". Still nary a thread containing those words can go more than 3 posts without a self-imposed grammar Nazi jumpin' in tryin' to impress. Can I see a raise of hands to see who all here is impressed? I'm thinkin' outta the 13,500 active members here, I might see three hands.......:rolleyes:
 
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You do understand that to the anti anything that shoots a bullet out of a barrel is an assault rifle. If we used some acronym for FA intermediate cartridge carbines FAICC they'd just come up with their own term that best serves their needs.

Hell blame Hitler if you're gonna blame anyone for the misuse of the catchy term.

The Russians were using the word Avtomat long before WWII to describe this type rifle.
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They were using that word correctly. The rifle you posted is the first Assault rifle.
 
R.W.Dale said:
I wonder if the Germans who invented the stripper clip use different words for clips and magazines?




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seems likely, as the stripper clip feeds the magazine. Wouldn't make sense to feed the clip with a clip or feed a magazine with a magazine.

Sorry, my high school German class was too long ago to attempt the translation.
 
BHP FAN said:
Well. So far I've been called anal, a butt, and a Nazi. I think I've been pretty polite. I'm going to take The High Road.
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Dont get too torqued up..... there just a bunch of no nothings ;)


Seriously though... and speaking of torque.... 99% of people will say that a motor has xxx ft-lbs of torque. Its lb-ft.

Ive come to realize that I cant expect perfection from others when I'm not perfect myself.
 
The Urban Dictionary defines Stripper Clip as a fastener for holding your bills when paying for lap dances.

Sorry, I just hit a ditch in THR. But there is a fine line between reason and insanity.:eek:
 
And nobody has yet mentioned the fact that 9 millimeters do not equal .009"?
And even if we were going strickly metric, 9 millimeters would be expressed as 9.0 mm. .009 would be nine tenths of one millimeter.

Carry on with your normal thread.
 
No, nine mils are not .009 or .009". Mils are not millimeters, they are a unit we use to measure the chordal length of an arc, shorthand for milradian. Think "mil-dot" scopes.

.009" is nine thousandths of an inch. .009 millimeter is nine thousandths of one millimeter.

I guess what I'm getting at is "mils" is NOT thousandths of an inch. Calling it such in my line of work either gets you laughed at for being an idiot or taken off the job and sent to push a broom so you don't cause any more confusion. I'm a machinist and we deal with prints both in standard and metric. When you mean thousandths of an inch, say so. When you mean millimeters, say so. "Thou", short for "thousandth" is in no way interchangeable with "mil", even when used as shorthand for "millimeter".
 
Like it or not mil or mils (plural) is a recognized unit of measure for length.

You typically see it used in industrial applications as a way to express paint or film thickness, for example OUR PRINTS will not call for a min paint thickness of .006" it will say plain as day 6mils

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...a=X&ei=3ojuUPnnMaf42QXpyYH4Aw&ved=0CDcQygQwAQ

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"shorthand for milradian"

Shouldn't that be milliradian?

"The milliradian was first invented in the mid nineteenth Century by Charles-Marc Dapples (1837-1920), an engineer and professor at the University of Lausanne."
 
Seriously though... and speaking of torque.... 99% of people will say that a motor has xxx ft-lbs of torque. Its lb-ft.
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Whoa now, as an engineer I have never made the distinction. I usually write it as lb-ft but don't think it is wrong the other way. Since it is technically lb*ft or ft*lbs, it is just always written with a dot instead of hyphen but must be typed as lb-ft or ft-lbs. It really doesn't matter which comes first, it is multiplied. I.e. torque being equivalent to a moment, or a lever (length) times force (lbs). But I guess even then you could get confused by pound force or pound mass (although I only ever work on earth so it is assumed that it is pounds force.

Back to OP, different words can have same meaning, same words (or abbreviations) can have different meanings. Even units as described above. mil can mean a lot of different things to different people in different industries. I think the worst sin of all is ignoring units of measure entirely! "Let me bust out my nine and bust a cap" comes to mind.

And wait, how has this thread remained open so long. :confused:
 
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''It keeps us from arguing politics?''

exactly. I've actually had a lot of fun with this one. The folks that are wrong had some pretty good arguments.;)
 
Whoa now, as an engineer I have never made the distinction. I usually write it as lb-ft but don't think it is wrong the other way.
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From Wiki....

A pound-foot (lb·ft or lbf·ft) is a unit of torque (a vector). One pound-foot is the torque created by one pound force acting at a perpendicular distance of one foot from a pivot point.

One pound-foot is exactly 1.3558179483314004 newton meters.[note 1]

The foot-pound force (symbol: ft·lbf or ft·lbf), or simply foot-pound (symbol: ft·lb) is a unit of work or energy in the Engineering and Gravitational Systems in United States customary and imperial units of measure. It is the energy transferred on applying a force of one pound-force (lbf) through a displacement of one foot. The corresponding SI unit is the joule.


The name "pound-foot", intended to minimize confusion with the foot-pound as a unit of work, was apparently first proposed by British physicist Arthur Mason Worthington.[1] However, foot-pound (ft·lb or ft·lbf) is also sometimes used interchangeably with "pound-foot" to express torque.[2]


The foot-pound is often used to specify the muzzle energy of a bullet in small arms ballistics, particularly in the United States.

"Foot-pound" is sometimes also used as a unit of torque (see Pound-foot (torque)). In the United States this unit is often used to specify, for example, the tightness of a bolt or the output of an engine.



Although they are dimensionally equivalent, energy (a scalar), and torque (a vector) are distinct physical quantities. Both energy and torque can be expressed as a product of a force vector with a displacement vector (hence pounds and feet); energy is the scalar product of the two, and torque is the vector product
 
:scrutiny: I hear ya, but TWO TIMES in the wiki you linked they specifically say that ft-lbs and lb-ft are interchangeable.

However, foot-pound (ft·lb or ft·lbf) is also sometimes used interchangeably with "pound-foot" to express torque.[2]
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"Foot-pound" is sometimes also used as a unit of torque (see Pound-foot (torque)). In the United States this unit is often used to specify, for example, the tightness of a bolt or the output of an engine.
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In my particular discipline it is indistinguishable, no one will worry that I am talking about the energy of a bullet when I calculate the moment capacity of a beam. I won't lose any sleep over it :cool:

Again, with calcs as with words, context is key, and knowing audience. But it is always fun to pick nits. :D
 
Originally posted by buck460xvr
Some things this thread and others like it have taught me.


A.) Folks who claim that they don't care what other folks do are the ones that tend to get the most upset when those other folks don't agree with them.

B.) Just cause folks are anal about something, shouldn't mean they have to be a rectal orifice to others that aren't.

C.) Same folks that pound their chest and claim that using correct terminology puts them above those that don't....still lower themselves to arguing on the internet(can't get any more stupid than that).

D.) Still the same ol' coupla of folks that feel the need to call folks names and belittle others when discussion doesn't get the results they want.

E.) Folks that insist others always use the correct terminology, pride themselves on calling lead projectiles "Boolits".

Last time I checked, one did not need to be a English major to be a active, contributing member on an internet gun forum. I thought the common bond here is firearms, not proper grammar and that the intended usage was to exchange knowledge and opinions about firarms in a polite and friendly way. Anybody that has been on a gun forum for more than a month knows darn well what someone means when they say "clip" "casing" or "9mil". Still nary a thread containing those words can go more than 3 posts without a self-imposed grammar Nazi jumpin' in tryin' to impress. Can I see a raise of hands to see who all here is impressed? I'm thinkin' outta the 13,500 active members here, I might see three hands.......
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Amen, that's why I rarely post.
 
I will file this one under "who cares." Thats right next to clip/mag, thier/their, and your/you're. I guess I have too many real world concerns to give a poo about stuff like that. I guess you are lucky to have such time to devote to it.
 
Again, with calcs as with words, context is key, and knowing audience. But it is always fun to pick nits
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And that was the point of what I was saying.

9mm..... 9mil.... Clip... mag...

We all know what we all are talking about so it boils down to pick nitting.... I mean nit picking ;)
 
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