I have seen the previews and this looks like it could be a good movie.I noticed the typical 20's and 30's Thompson sub guns and most likelt the usual revolvers and 1911's of the time but one gun I noticed in the previews is little talked about here or any where really, The Remington Mod. 8. I own my great grandfathers chambered in 30/30 remington as stamped on the barrel. It was later and better known as the 30 Remington. Its basicaly a 30-30 winchester redesigned for an auto loader and ballisticaly identical. I liked it so much I bought one in every common caliber, .25 .32 and .35 remington. I then recently bought a mod 81 in 300 savage. The 81 is an upgraded version with an external mag spring system and a curved grip on the receiver. This first auto loading sporting rifle was made by Remington from a John browning design. It features a recoiling barrel that moved with in a sleeve and had a bolt and bolt carrier that I beleive is similar to the Browning auto loading shot guns. It has a fixed 5 round box mag and the ammunition could be fed via striper clips. I have seen only one law enforcement magazine in my life this held 25 or 30 I cant remember and other sources are conflicting. But it is a very long single stack mag. The safety is also similar to the Ak family in design I beleive Kalishinkov might have coppied it in his design. These guns when new were expensive for the time and now most go for $300-$700. I do not know the extent of their use by law enforcement of the time other than Hammer had one while catching up with Bonnie and Clyde. I look forward to seeing it in this movie and ask others to share their knowledge on this unique peice of history.
Public enemies..the movie
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damien
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I saw a bunch of extras when the were filming in Chicago. It was very odd to be walking down Jackson Street and see about a hundred people dressed like the Depression was still going on.
No Thompson submachine guns in sight, though.
No Thompson submachine guns in sight, though.
General Geoff
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Michael Mann directed this upcoming film. It should have excellent and very accurate depictions of firearm use.
geronimo509
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http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Public_Enemies
I wanna see the 1911 "machine pistol"
I wanna see the 1911 "machine pistol"
I wonder if they will accurately cover the fact that John Dillinger aquired most of his weaponry, especialy his submachineguns from police armories.
At a time when citizens could mail order them many of the biggest criminals aquired thier firearms from the police (or the national guard as in the case of Clyde Barrows' shortened BAR.)
Just like you see reports of firearms today stolen from police vehicles, including select fire ARs and MP5 variants. The number reported is often much lower than the number actualy stolen as the embarassment to Law Enforcement is high.
Many other weapons were aquired through corrupt sources during prohibition. Corruption was rampant in places like Chicago and eslewhere, and someone with money could buy both police firearms or even the police themselves to be hitmen against rivals. Very similar to the situation in Mexico today.
At a time when citizens could mail order them many of the biggest criminals aquired thier firearms from the police (or the national guard as in the case of Clyde Barrows' shortened BAR.)
Just like you see reports of firearms today stolen from police vehicles, including select fire ARs and MP5 variants. The number reported is often much lower than the number actualy stolen as the embarassment to Law Enforcement is high.
Many other weapons were aquired through corrupt sources during prohibition. Corruption was rampant in places like Chicago and eslewhere, and someone with money could buy both police firearms or even the police themselves to be hitmen against rivals. Very similar to the situation in Mexico today.
mljdeckard
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Yes, I'm looking forward to a good Michael Mann fix from this one. He always has good consulting for his movies. Watch "Heat" and "Collateral" as a warmup.
Kind of Blued
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I have a lot of faith in Michael Mann. I didn't watch much Miami Vice, but the firearm handling on "Heat" and "Collateral" was outstanding.
Dillenger's "arsenal" at the time of his death.
What is the longgun directly above the thompson?
edit: also note his 1911 in 38 super (better at piercing police bodyarmor and car doors) converted to full auto with an extended magazine and a vertical fore-grip added? Looks like H&Ks MP-7, the FN P-90 and all the other 'PDWs' are about 80 years old as far as concept goes
SpikeBayonet
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That's a Himen Lebman full-auto 1911 conversion.
Lebman owned a Sporting Goods store that specialized in (then-legal) conversions of this type - he was also a popular dealer/source for Thompson SMGs and Colt Monitor Machine-rifles ("civilianized" BAR).
Lebman owned a Sporting Goods store that specialized in (then-legal) conversions of this type - he was also a popular dealer/source for Thompson SMGs and Colt Monitor Machine-rifles ("civilianized" BAR).
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Same old, tired mass media hype (scaremongering is good for business) that feeds the mindless hysteria and thereby propagandizing the folks into believing a collection of myths that paint machine guns and shotguns with a certain barrel length as intrinsically evil and the right tool for a thug, gangster, and hoodlum.
TexasRifleman
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Mann has used Jim Zubienna, IPSC World Team member and Steel Challenge shooter, in several of his works and as a consultant.
Here's a scene from the TV show, no special effects, just Jim showing his quick draw.
Pretty impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUaMoyKm40
LibShooter
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It looks like a great movie. Johnny Depp is usually good at making larger than life characters even larger.
This is a movie about John Dillinger, a thug gangster and hoodlum who used machine guns and shotguns with a certain barrel length to rob, maim and kill. Are you suggesting no one should ever produce a movie in which the bad guys use firearms? Or maybe the gangsters be armed with slingshots and pea shooters.
I don't know about you, but I love a good shoot 'em up movie. Complete with real guns.
This is a movie about John Dillinger, a thug gangster and hoodlum who used machine guns and shotguns with a certain barrel length to rob, maim and kill. Are you suggesting no one should ever produce a movie in which the bad guys use firearms? Or maybe the gangsters be armed with slingshots and pea shooters.
I don't know about you, but I love a good shoot 'em up movie. Complete with real guns.
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The anti-gun factions have historically made progress by frightening the American public. The execrable NFA legislation passed seventy-five years ago this month because of the panic created in the general population.
It is chilling to watch our "elite" hunt around for someone or something to use as a scapegoat to justify their failed policies and continuous grasp for power.
America's most dangerous enemy is its own imagination run wild. There is an epidemic of people convinced that our world or society is coming to an end for one reason or another. They say something horrible will happen unless drastic steps such as the National Firearms Act of 1934 or the Gun Control Act of 1968 are taken. Their fears will become a self-fulfilling prophesy unless people stop looking at our society as a place where the tyranny of the majority forces its concept of "good" on its neighbors.
35Rem
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Check out the links in my signature line. One is dedicated to the Model 8 and 81 with lots of great pictures and information.
The other is about all autoloader, including the Winchesters as seen in the pictures above.
Lots of good stuff on both. I really look forward to this movie and hope it doesn't dissapoint. It's got some big names in it, so should be OK.
The other is about all autoloader, including the Winchesters as seen in the pictures above.
Lots of good stuff on both. I really look forward to this movie and hope it doesn't dissapoint. It's got some big names in it, so should be OK.
jerkface11
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OMG I want that pistol.
MagnumDweeb
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I want the Himen Lebman too. Too bad the only way to own one is to find an oldie that has survived the times or become an SOT3, build them, and market them to law enforcement and military. When I find little things like the Himen Lebman, I get really ticked at those scum who created the NFA and later 68' bit, and the 86' bit of course(for some reason some scum decided guns made after 86 are more dangerous than guns made before).
Sad truth thouse the Himen Lebman build would not be the most difficult by any real means for those who know their 1911s and their way around a machine tools. And then you just have to cut your own magazines or bust out the 4140 flats and build your own drums. But of course there are laws against building your own machine guns for pure self-consumption in that manner. Be a real shame if the laws out there would one day not be worth anything.
Sad truth thouse the Himen Lebman build would not be the most difficult by any real means for those who know their 1911s and their way around a machine tools. And then you just have to cut your own magazines or bust out the 4140 flats and build your own drums. But of course there are laws against building your own machine guns for pure self-consumption in that manner. Be a real shame if the laws out there would one day not be worth anything.
mljdeckard
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You mean hymen?
Kind of Blued
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Could he have meant anything else?
Has anybody seen this film yet? I'm pretty sure it debuted, and I'd like to know how well the gunplay was done.
As far as IMDB knows, nobody plays "Machine Gun Kelly", which upsets me mainly because we share a birthday.
I just really didn't want this thread to end with mjdeckard's post.
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