Purposeful misinformation

[Wisco]

Every available sales, marketing, Youtube, and registration metric *everywhere* indicates a massive expansion in tye shooter base. But go on believing a diminishing number of Americans are sustaining eight straight years of market growth with no end in sight, if it makes you feel special. There's also the expansion of the NRA, other gun orgs, steady expansion of rights at the state level in nearly all places, expansion of legitimately pro gun representation at the federal level, and poll after poll demonstrating a much more widespread positive attitude toward gunownership among every demographic. But none of them are buying, I'm sure.

"Household" stats are screwy because the decline of marriage skews the numbers toward dilution (since women tend to own fewer guns). There's also the fact that many have valid reasons not to admit ownership (illegality/hostility in anti gun cities, immigration status, and fear of telling strangers about valuables in the house)

The idea gun rights are currently fading is a bad joke put on by donation hustlers, but some will only donate if they feel under attack. I personally am more inclined to give in exchange for results, which we're getting. Are gun rights less than they were, or need to be? Absolutely. Are we losing the fight? Not hardly; heck, "good cause" was just struck down in DC the other day, so you & I can sign up for carry permits there in a few weeks.

TCB

I was hoping you'd link to some facts. I'm feeling too special to read your entire rant.

 

[Ryanxia]

I was hoping you'd link to some facts. I'm feeling too special to read your entire rant.

Couple links for you.

FBI NICS data. While a 1 to 1 correlation from checks to sales can't be assumed, it is a good metric.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

Concealed Carry permit holders increasing.
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/07/n...ear-saw-largest-increase-ever-number-permits/

There are quite a few sources readily available for a simple Google search if you're so inclined. I think I've swayed this thread far enough off course from the OP.

 

[denton]

NICS Checks, Jan 2010-May2017
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There actually has been a decline in the number of people who will admit to an anonymous person, over the phone, that their household has a gun. Whether that means that there has been a decline in the number of households with a gun is open to debate.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in this country who learned all they know about guns by watching TV and going to the movies.

 

[MarkDido]

There used to be a program on called "The Glades", which was based on the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE).

The show takes place in South Florida.

Every so often, they would question someone if the gun they had was "registered"

Florida doesn't have a gun registration.

It's off the air now, but I quit watching.

 

[Deanimator]

So, you watched a fictional show, and now you're disappointed that it portrayed a fictional scenario.

There's a difference between dumb and malicious.

This isn't somebody on "Bones" getting the name of a bone in the inner ear wrong.

This is FAR more like "Jew Suss" or "Birth of a Nation".

An INTENTIONAL pressing of an agenda isn't a "mistake". It isn't even laziness. It's a calculated attempt to disseminate a false narrative to achieve a pernicious political end.

 

[Deanimator]

There used to be a program on called "The Glades", which was based on the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE).

The show takes place in South Florida.

Every so often, they would question someone if the gun they had was "registered"

Florida doesn't have a gun registration.

It's off the air now, but I quit watching.

The same thing was common on the various "Law & Orders" and "NCIS".

Needless to say, portraying invidiously racist gun controls (especially as exemplified by NYC and Chicago) as the "norm", is considered a "feature, not a bug".

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Two big talking points pushed by the "gun safety" crowd have been: gun owners are dropping as a percentage of the population and can be safely ignored by politicians pushing a return of the assualt weapon ban (that theory worked great for Hillary 2016); and the millions of new gun sales can be written off by claiming to have "discovered" super owners (seven or more guns) to claim the millions of gun sales under Obama were not to new gun owners, just existing gun owners buying more guns.

Gallup Polls show households reporting owning guns bouncing between over a third and half over the past fifty years, up, down, up, down; Gallup explains the different numbers in such short time spans as being a response to gun politics (people reluctant to answer). "Declining households owning guns" is a myth IF you look at more than two years poll responses. "Declining and increasing households reporting owning guns" is more accurate.

I knew gun enthusiasts in the 1960s who owned seven guns or more. "Super owners" is not new and does not explain away the gun dealers reporting new-to-guns first-time purchasers in their stores in addition to old time customers. There are a lot more newbies owning guns.

 

[9MMare]

It's called "an agenda" and almost everything you run into in any media or messaging...including religion...has one.

Edit: other side of the coin: people who have intimate knowledge with a subject will often take issue with how their area of expertise is portrayed in mainstream media. Every movie or TV show I watch, or book I read, that has horses in it contains multiple instances of inaccurate info or make rare cases look common. Writers sometimes dont know...but more often probably dont care...because the great majority of their audiences will never know the difference.

So yes, I can see a point you may be trying to make...but it all depends on if your mainstream audience even notices....they are generally not as focused on those things like the people with real knowledge. They are just one piece of the whole storyline.