Putting a hat on a hat

[Booger66]

Thinking 458 socom with a suppressor. There are a few options, 11.5" with can, 16" with can, or integrally suppressed. BUT, is there another option??? Is a can on an integrally suppressed rifle worth it? What would it do? Would it help the ~300gr supersonic or the ~500 subsonics more? Will the can be a hat on a hat? Anyway, drank one to many beers while thinking about guns.
I did a Google search but came up with no results. If I missed something let me know.
Thank you

 

[Booger66]

Just to inform, if some were wondering why I pop up with weird and "out there" questions".
Many questions pop into my head, most of them are logical ones. I Google and answer 95% of them, the rest...... Well,...... End up on here lol

 

[sequins]

I think it would be cool.

 

[Obturation]

Nuttn wrong with a hat on a hat.

 

[Gordon]

11.5" with a attached .45 suppressor would be optimum. A 16" barrel would only be a little longer probably a little quieter and $200 cheaper with less paperwork. That is the way my son went. His suppressor also works on his Glock 21 . The .458 does not like pistol "braces" as the recoil is pretty heavy
The 350 grain bullets seem optimum .

 

[Havok7416]

This won't work the way you are thinking. Once a projectile is below subsonic there is no further gain in making it more subsonic.

 

[Steve S.]

.....unless you want the round to go in reverse.

 

[Demi-human]

A Ninja, in sneakers.

So quiet, the pin is embarrassed to drop and ruin the solemnity.


I wonder how they might attach...
And if my arms could stand it.

I sometimes wear a bandanna and a Boonie(roofing), or a kerchief and a Sombrero(tilling), but I have never worn a Stetson and a Fedora.
At the same time.

 

[WestKentucky]

I sometimes wear a bandanna and a Boonie(roofing), or a kerchief and a Sombrero(tilling), but I have never worn a Stetson and a Fedora.
At the same time.

But a stocking cap and a rabbit fur lined hat while hunting in the winter is wonderful.

I have no clue on what a suppressed rifle that’s already suppressed would do.

 

[Varminterror]

This won't work the way you are thinking. Once a projectile is below subsonic there is no further gain in making it more subsonic.

I don’t think you understand how suppressors work. They don’t slow the bullet, they slow the escaping gases. What report we have left remains because we didn’t fully scrub the gas velocity as slow as it could be (aka, strip it all from the bullet and have it creep out of the barrel/can at near-zero speed). Swing a rope in the air, you can hear it, even though it is much, much slower than super sonic.

A hat on a hat, in this case, is effectively like using a longer can with more baffles. I personally wouldn’t spend the money to do it, but if I already had a 45cal can, and had a whim to build integrally suppressed, you can be sure there would be a day that I screwed both together shortly thereafter. But I am very hard pressed to buy integrally suppressed barrels. In this case, balancing the reciprocating action might be even more complicated than usual, since you’re adding even greater restriction than a single/conventional suppressor.

Effectively, there are multiple modular suppressors out there which do what you’re describing. If a shooter wants a certain length, they can sacrifice some suppression and achieve the length. If they want greater suppression, they have the option to add length. SiCo Maxim is even an example of a modular integrally suppressed option. The “short” configuration is pretty quiet - hearing safe with 147’s - but the “long” configuration is even quieter. The SiCo Omega 36M and Switchback 22, and the Area419 Maverick all work this way - Add length when you want the greatest suppression, add volume when you want to hit a target length. All you’re doing is adding expansion chamber capacity.

I’d be more tempted to simply buy a longer integrally suppressed barrel if I wanted even more suppression.

 

[jmorris]

Swing a rope in the air, you can hear it, even though it is much, much slower than super sonic.

Excellent point, even if you are far enough away that you can’t even hear the rifle the projectile can still make noise, even if subsonic.

 

[jmorris]

As for suppressed 458 socom, The one I made telescopes back over the 16” barrel, so the OAL of the rifle/can is not as long as it’s effective volume.





I have done integral cans before but they obviously can only be use on the barrel they were built on. An integral can put on a short barrel, so the OAL is 16” or grater is a one stamp gun. Like this can that’s welded to the short barrel so that it’s 16.125” with the end cap removed. One $200 stamp



A threaded one can be moved around but OAL of a given volume will be longer if it’s not back over the barrel, like the one I made for the 458. So the chamber for the initial blast goes back almost to the gas block. One $200 stamp.






A rifle with a barrel shorter than 16” barrel and removable can is two stamps ($400)

 

[Havok7416]

I don’t think you understand how suppressors work. They don’t slow the bullet, they slow the escaping gases. What report we have left remains because we didn’t fully scrub the gas velocity as slow as it could be (aka, strip it all from the bullet and have it creep out of the barrel/can at near-zero speed). Swing a rope in the air, you can hear it, even though it is much, much slower than super sonic.

A hat on a hat, in this case, is effectively like using a longer can with more baffles. I personally wouldn’t spend the money to do it, but if I already had a 45cal can, and had a whim to build integrally suppressed, you can be sure there would be a day that I screwed both together shortly thereafter. But I am very hard pressed to buy integrally suppressed barrels. In this case, balancing the reciprocating action might be even more complicated than usual, since you’re adding even greater restriction than a single/conventional suppressor.

Effectively, there are multiple modular suppressors out there which do what you’re describing. If a shooter wants a certain length, they can sacrifice some suppression and achieve the length. If they want greater suppression, they have the option to add length. SiCo Maxim is even an example of a modular integrally suppressed option. The “short” configuration is pretty quiet - hearing safe with 147’s - but the “long” configuration is even quieter. The SiCo Omega 36M and Switchback 22, and the Area419 Maverick all work this way - Add length when you want the greatest suppression, add volume when you want to hit a target length. All you’re doing is adding expansion chamber capacity.

I’d be more tempted to simply buy a longer integrally suppressed barrel if I wanted even more suppression.

Perhaps I should have said the Shockwave coming off the bullet itself. I have a TiRant and fully understand how it all works. The difference with my can being that the extension on the TiRant is nowhere near the same length as 2 full size cans. But you won't get a linear progression of noise reduction as length is added. And in fact there is a practical limit. In other words, there is a point of diminishing returns related to length, cost and weight.

The Metro Gun shotgun system is a great example of this (even though it's not actually a silencer). While shotguns with these devices attached are considered hearing safe, there is still an audible report. The downside of this system is that it is 36 inches long which makes it a bit impractical for anything other than shooting at aerial targets.

 

[Odd Job]

I had an adapter made where I could mate the rear air space chamber of a reflex suppressor with a different muzzle-forward suppressor. I didn't test it scientifically but subjectively it was very quiet.
That was on a .22LR though.

So yes, I would also try a hat on a hat.