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"Putting down the man gun"

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Old Dog, Sep 13, 2012.

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  1. Old Dog

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    In an issue of SWAT Magazine a few months ago, Patrick Rogers wrote an article titled, "Putting down the Man Gun," which detailed his decision to start carrying primarily a 9mm pistol (S&W M&P-9) over his once-favored .45 ACP (1911).

    Similarly, a recent interview with Travis Haley had him stating that his primary carry gun was in 9mm also. (Believe he may favor Glocks.)

    Comes now Chris Costa, who also admits packing a nine most of the time (also the Glock 19) ...

    Seasoned trainers all, they all seem to believe that being able to shoot lots of rounds downrange faster AND more accurately is important, though Rogers discussed other reasons for going to the 9mm.

    For those of us gettin' on in years, practicing with a 9mm can be delightful (especially if one's strong arm is riddled with arthritis in the wrist and fingers). On a recent range visit, I re-discovered that my venerable West German SIG P-226 is the softest-shooter of all my nines, as well as the most accurate pistol I own (well, I have one Series 70 Colt's Gov't Model that would probably edge it).

    Now I note that my usual off-duty carry .45, a LW Commander XSE, is really about the same size as my P-226 (albeit not nearly as wide) and almost identical in size to my duty M&P-9 ... all have barrels about 4.25 - 4.40 inches but laid one on top of the other, they all print about the same size, except the Colt is obviously narrower, which does make it easier to pack.

    With the stellar 18-round Mec-Gar mags for the SIG (and then how 'bout the 20-rounder for a spare?), the factory 17-rounders for the S&W, I can sure pack a lot more firepower by going to a nine, which for me, conceals almost as well, even OWB in a Kramer Belt Scabbard (my favorite pancakes) or a Galco Concealable. Yeah, for IWB, the SIG and the Smith aren't quite as nice, but they still ride remarkably comfortably in Milt Sparks VM-IIs.

    So, I am evaluating. I have full confidence in my 9mm loads (Gold Dot 124 grain +Ps), and frankly, my recent shooting sessions have me shooting much more accurately, much faster, with my 9s.

    Anyone else besides this 1911 dinosaur contemplating giving up The Man Gun? (But only for carry -- the 1911 is still The King -- just as Elvis, though dead, is.)
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  2. Checkman

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    Sure. I love my .357 magnums and my 45 autos, but I carry a Glock 19 on duty. A Glock 26 is my off-duty and a S&W Model 49 Bodyguard is my back-up. I also shoot my 9mm's and .38 Special Revolvers a whole lot more than my magnums and 45's.

    I'm 44 and this is a fairly recent development for me. Just ten years ago I was all about heavy bullets and power. I get it.
     
  3. browningguy

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    I have arthritis in both hands and switched to 9mm for carry many years ago, primarily BHP's. Now I have switched to an XDm in 9mm, it's even softer shooting.
     
  4. 2wheels

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    I didn't give up my "man guns"... I just added a 9mm to the mix. Luckily we can get 1911s in pretty much any caliber now, so I've got an EMP 9 that I absolutely love.
     
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    I thought this was a "I shot the Sheriff" type thread. That would be odd, anyway..lolz
     
  6. crazyjennyblack

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    Don't worry y'all. You menfolk can put down your .45's for a while. Let the women happily pick up the slack! :neener:
     
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    crazyjennyblack

    Don't worry y'all. You menfolk can put down your .45's for a while. Let the women happily pick up the slack!


    Your time is coming crazyjennyblack. :p
     
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    I stay qualified on my XD45c, XDM40c, and XD9sc. When I dress in the morning I put on the 9mm.
     
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    I figured out a while back that I could put more energy and more displacement accurately into a target with a 9 than with a .45, .40 etc.. Lately I have been carryimg mainly an EMP or 938 in 9. Both are very easy to live with. Pin shooting, I have been beating the .45 toting lads at the range with a 9 because of the speed and accuracy I can get. That turns some heads.
     
  11. Walkalong

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    I shoot the 9 more these days than I used to, but I still carry the .45 if I carry a full sized auto.

    A sweet easy to shoot gun for sure.
     
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    I own a 1911 .45 acp because, well I do.There is a romanticized idea about an American G.I. Storming an enemy with a 1911 as the only gun he had. (Frightening as hell for the actual G.I.s that did it) but kids of my Generation heard our dads talk about the war and what it was like. Plus all the movies. I own a 1911 because I think it is a classic gun that everyone should have.
    I carry 9mm and shoot Hi-Powers a lot because I'm just a better shooter with them.
     
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    Gelatin shots are the best.
     
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    I'm still young and my joints feel fine.
    I shoot my 1911 better than anything besides my SAA.

    I think I'll carry a .45 for a while yet.
     
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    While my Dan Wesson .45 is a "Man's Gun"

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    My two N frame .44 magnums and Super Red Hawk .454 are REAL manguns!

    Deaf
     
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    You spelled mangum wrong.
     
  18. fastest45ever

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    "mangum"
    is what you get when you think a man gun is a .500 Linebaugh Maximum, and you haven't shot full house loads before.

    You become a 'man' with 'gums', lacking teeth.:evil:

    Seriously: You think any of these guns recoil, and the difference of 2-3 ft lbs is enough to post a thread on?:uhoh:
     
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    Didnt a 9 vs 45 thread just get closed?

    You want some one down? 357
     
  20. fastest45ever

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    I think you really need to get rid of that 1911, since you are too old for it.;)
    I'll give you 50 bucks;-), you pay shipping. :D

    I'm sure those plastic guns will hold their value like 1911's. :evil:

    (This is HUMOR)
     
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    If you don't have something to say related to the topic at hand please don't post. And play nice or this will be locked, just like the last one.
     
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    This seems to be inline with the evolution of thought (Including the militarys) viewpoint of overwhelming fire compared to single/double shot accuracy. Everyone wants higher capacity and more rounds downrange. This did not work out well recently in NY city for 8? civies.

    FWIW, I thought this was the man gun :)

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    Every living thing I ever shot with a 22 either died or ran off.
     
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    I'm near 70 and still carry a .45 ACP in a Kimber UCC II and plan on carrying it for a long time. Oh say...Maybe another 30 years....
     
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