Question 22 mag as a CCW , curious?

[tackstrp]

Model 351PD Revolver - HIVIZ® this 22 mag revolver intrigues me for CCW. Any thoughts. Same price as a 357 or 38 special from Smith. Price of a box of ammo seems reasonable.




http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...selected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=

 

[Bula]

Plenty will tell you that it will do, and that it's better than not having a gun. IMO, get more bang for your buck. Unless, you already have a primary carry and this will only supplement your collection. I love the idea too, but S&W prices their rimfires just outside of what I'd like to spend for one.

Think of it this way, in a pinch, you really needed to have something to protect you or your loved ones, which would you rather have in your pocket, a .22 mag or a .357 mag?

 

[woad_yurt]

From what I've read:
.22 WMR doesn't develop its velocity in short barrels. It seems that the consesus is that the round needs a 5" or longer barrel to really come alive. I'd go with the .38, myself.

 

[JJE]

I shoot a lot of Maxi-Mags out of my 7.5" Ruger Single-Six. Sounds like a 38 Spl round, so I imagine it would sound like a 357 magnum coming out of a 2" barrel.

Snubbys are a real ballistic compromise, but a 22 magnum snubby has to be about a ballistic worse-case scenario. Sure, it will work. I wouldn't want to be shot by one, etc, etc. I will just say that snubby revolvers work best (considering ballistics, blast, controllability) with standard pressure 38 Spl ammo or 38+P if you can shoot it well enough. 22LR or 22 mag (or 357/44 mag for that matter) snubbies - and I'm only talking about sub-3" barrels - just seem to me to be not such a great idea.

 

[DNS]

If for whatever reason your recoil sensitive, that'd be a great carry piece. Its also a very under rated round by most folks.

Come to think of it my wife would love that.
Mike

 

[tackstrp]

yes i was looking at muzzle engry at 260 ft # have to get up to 9mm to top that. I will check on using short barrels for the 22 nag , thanks did know think about that issue

 

[MICHAEL T]

muzzle engry at 260 ft #

when fired from a rifle
In a NAA or a snub little more than a 22LR Which also suffers from a short barrel. Has lots of noise and flash but little else . It needs some barrel to get going 5 inches or better if you want some serious numbers.
I like a 22 mag in a rifle and a larger pistol

 

[surjimmy]

I often drop my NAA 22mag in my pocket to go to town, the reason is it's very small and fits right in my pocket. If was going to carry a snub nose why would you choose the smallest caliber when you can get a 357/38 or even bigger? The reason I sometimes carry the NAA is the size so I give up the bigger caliber. In a snubbie there's no reason to carry a 22 mag for self defense.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Well, it would give you the same knock down power as a NAA Black Widow in 22 mag or ~ 95 ft lb at 8 feet - or slightly better than a .25 ACP.

It's the 2" barrel that will sap all the energy from the .22 mag.

tackstrp
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Question 22 mag as a CCW , curious?
Model 351PD Revolver - HIVIZ® this 22 mag revolver intrigues me for CCW. Any thoughts. Same price as a 357 or 38 special from Smith. Price of a box of ammo seems reasonable.

 

[Onward Allusion]

From a 2" barrel...

40 grain @ ~ 1,000 fps ~ 90 or so ft lb. Even if you go hyper velocity with a 30 grain ~ 1,200 fps, you'll only get maybe 5 to 10 more lbs.

Of course, I still wouldn't want to be shot by one...

tackstrp
yes i was looking at muzzle engry at 260 ft # have to get up to 9mm to top that. I will check on using short barrels for the 22 nag , thanks did know think about that issue

 

[Nicodemus38]

itll be fine for short range work. minimal recoil and you can get 9 shots in most of them in the same size package that would deliver 5/6 ronds of 38 or 357.
however youd be better served by a 32 mag loaded hot and stout. Ive never gotten bullet expansion of 22lr out of rifle barrels. and well a 22mag needs velocity to expand, so a tiny little barrel is going to make any ammo in it non expanding.

 

[tackstrp]

thanks all i gave up on my bright idea of a 22 mag revolver. will stick to the traditional 38/357, 9 mm, 45 acp etc. really like the 10 mm but hard to find once fired brass. Lots of 40 S&W available. but got more guns than i can carry now. As soon as i shoot up my ammo for two handguns in my inventory i will sell and buy something else to bang away with for a while.

 

[hirundo82]

Good choice on going with a major caliber.

The only way I could see carrying a .22 mag is as a second or third gun. The NAA mini-revolvers also make sense as a very deep concealment, last-ditch kind of gun.

I don't see the point of carrying a .22 mag as your primary weapon where, for the same size, you could have something in a proven round such as .38 spl.

 

[The Bushmaster]

It just might be better then a stick...But then again....

 

[tackstrp]

would be a spendy stick. was just a thought. after xmas is over i will buy something new, sure like what i read on the Colt new agent and defender, Seems couple others have similar offerings. will enjoy looking, if nothing else.

 

[mljdeckard]

If you're that close, why not just get the .38?

 

[CoRoMo]

The Taurus 941 comes in at about half the price as the 351, and the Taurus gives you 8 rounds in the cylinder versus the 351's 7rds.

For ballistic info on the .22wmr, check out what a fellow THR member's data shows.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/Page1504.htm

 

[rmfnla]

yes i was looking at muzzle engry at 260 ft # have to get up to 9mm to top that. I will check on using short barrels for the 22 nag , thanks did know think about that issue

Numbers are nice but I cannot imagine a .22 mag having the same knock-down power a 9mm or a .38 Spl.

 

[Rexster]

No less a person than the late great Bill Jordan, multi-gunfight veteran, retired from the US Border Patrol, author of _No Second Place Winner_, who prompted S&W to produce the Combat Magnum, also urged S&W to produce an Airweight J-frame chambered for the .22 WMR. Of course, the Combat Magnum, later to become the truly great Model 19 and Model 66, happened MUCH sooner than the little 351PD.

My normal minimum carry gun is an SP101, and I usually pack larger, carrying on my own time the same personally-owned P229 duty pistols that I use at work. The 351PD, however, may be what finally calls me to regularly tote a mousegun, at least for backup. No, it is not a rifle, but just as a .357 mag from a short barrel will have more energy than a .38 from the same barrel, the WMR will have a bit more punch than the LR when the bore size is .22, and with the 351PD, there are quite a few of them.

 

[mgkdrgn]

22 Mag is a particularly nasty little round that never quite gets it's due in the SD arena. Yes, it is -small-, but small has it's advantages at times. Small means you'll get better penetration with lower energy due to the smaller cross section area. (22 Mag even out of an NAA pistol will deliver 12" of penetration in ballistic gel) Small means it's easy to conceal, no matter -what- you are wearing, which means you are -more- likely to actually have it on you. Small means it's light, so you can carry it around all day without hardly noticing it is there.

It's also a fully jacketed bullet, which will assist with penetration and hold the bullet together MUCH better than plain lead like a 22lr.

If I did get in a gunfight, would I rather have a 9mm or a 357? No, I'd rather have a Thompson, a shotgun, or an AK. But, if what I have is 22Mag it will likely be sufficient to get the job done. If nothing else whom ever I'm shooting at will likely be stone deaf after the first shot. ;-)

 

[oneounceload]

I know someone who carries a 22 mag derringer in a wallet type of holster that allows it to be fired without removing it from the holster. He has tons of guns, carries others now and again or others in his vehicle, but that derringer is ALWAYS in his pocket - which is the key to a CCW. Not that, IMO, a22 mag is ideal, but if you'll carry it all the time and not others, then it merits consideration