question about CZ-75 safety?

[00__LUGER__00]

Hi, I have a manual of arms question about the CZ-75. Can the safety ONLY be engaged when the gun is cocked, or can it be engaged with the hammer cocked or down? I am interested especially in the experiences of those who own/have owned these pistols.

I've heard Tangfolio differs from CZ in that the safety can be engaged with hammer up or down, is this true???

 

[railroader]

On cz pistols the gun has to be cocked to engage the safety. On witness pistols it doesn't matter.

 

[BCRider]

My two CZ's have to be either cocked or in the half cock position for the safety to even move at all. In either condition the safety functions and snaps into the safe position. Although from half cock I can't tell if it's doing anything or not. But once at half cock and with the safety on if you go to full cock the safety prevents the hammer from falling. So perhaps that's the idea. Go to half cock, apply safety then finish the "cocked and locked" status by pulling the hammer back the rest of the way.

I don't use it much since I shoot my gun in SSP or Production where I lower the hammer and do the first round with a DA pull.

 

[1SOW]

CZ75B,CZ75 SPO1 Custom Shadow: Safety should only function when the hammer is cocked. The safety lever is intentionally blocked by a lobe on the sear when the hammer is fully down.

This allows the pistol's safety to perform the same as "either" the 1911s or the SIGs/striker fired pistols, cocked and locked or double action ready to shoot. Shooters choice.

In competition this allows the pistol to be used in more than just one pistol 'class'.

 

[00__LUGER__00]

So, if a CZ-75 safety can be engaged with the hammer down, is there something wrong with the pistol?

Also, if the safety were engaged and the hammer down (or at half-cocked) and the trigger pulled, what would happen?

 

[Ash]

Yes, there is something wrong if a CZ-75's safety can be engaged with the hammer down. IF the safety is engaged and the trigger pulled, nothing should happen. In Tanfoglio-based pistols (which is virtually all CZ copies (Jericho, Springfield Armory P9, ITM AT-84s, Gamba G90, Rock Island Armory MAPP) except for some of the newer Turks and the very earliest ITM AT-84 pistols), when you activate the safety, the hammer is locked wherever it is, either down or up.

If it is a defective CZ (I suppose a gunsmith could modify it to work with the hammer down, but assuming that didn't happen) allows for hammer-down and safety on, it should not move either. However, it is not working properly and so the safety should not be trusted (yeah, no safety can be fully trusted) at all.

 

[towboat_er]

CZ75b = cocked & locked
CZ75bd = decocker

 

[railroader]

Some czs if they have the competition hammer installed will allow the safety to be put on when the hammer is down. My 75sa is that way and the safety works fine. Mark

 

[1SOW]

railroader: when the comp hammer was installed either the sear or the safety was machined (Filed/sanded&polished)to engage the safety properly.
If it now can be applied with the hammer 'down' it was done incorrectly--too much metal was removed..

CGW/"Schmeky" sells a sear with an allen screw adjustment, so any hammer can be installed and the sear adjusted to make the safety work properly.

I have the CGW adj. sear and installed the Shadow Hammer on my 75B DA/SA. The safety should only function with the hammer cocked.

Corrected: trigger changed to safety---oops

 

[00__LUGER__00]

Great replies, all!

So, a CZ can be half-cocked and locked? Does anyone carry in this condition?
Are there any safety issues with a half-cocked and locked carry?

 

[railroader]

railroader: when the comp hammer was installed either the sear or the trigger was machined (Filed/sanded&polished)to engage the safety properly.
If it now can be applied with the hammer 'down' it was done incorrectly--too much metal was removed..

CGW/"Schmeky" sells a sear with an allen screw adjustment, so any hammer can be installed and the sear adjusted to make the safety work properly.

I have the CGW adj. sear and installed the Shadow Hammer on my 75B DA/SA. The safety should only function with the hammer cocked.

I have schmeky's sear in my 75sa now and I will have to check and see if it will engage with the hammer down. I know my factory shadow will engage at half cock. As for my 75sa with a the fitted sear even though I could (barely) engage the safety with the hammer down there was absolutely zero movement in sear with the safety on just like with schmekys sear. Schmekys sear also allows the safety on at half cock too for sure. Mark

 

[Walt Sherrill]

So, a CZ can be half-cocked and locked? Does anyone carry in this condition?

Are there any safety issues with a half-cocked and locked carry?

Half-cocked and locked: I don't think that should happen if the gun is in stock condition, unless something is worn. Typically, in guns that can do it, something has been altered (such as a different hammer.)

Safety issues if the safety can be engaged either in half-cock or hammer down mode? Can't imagine what they'd be unless the safety will disengage from the half-cock position more easily.

The firing pin block (if still installed) should keep the gun safe, as the gun will only go boom if the trigger is pulled fully to the rear.

 

[Scimmia]

My CZ 75 will NOT engage the safety with the hammer at half cock.

 

[BCRider]

From the posts here and since it was quite a while back when I played with this stuff I went and checked my two CZ's.

Sure enough my Shadow lets me put the safety on when it's in the half cock position. My older pre "b" 75 does not. So it would appear that the posts saying that the fit is wrong are correct. And of course the Shadow has the competition hammer from the factory so that may be part of it.

It's actually a moot point about being able to engage at half cock though. It's not a mode that makes any sense to use in either competition or when using the gun for self defense. As long as it's not indicative of a possible failure when cocked and locked what does it really matter?

 

[00__LUGER__00]

I like to know the details about the MOA of guns... so although this is surely a moot point to some, to me this is an interesting piece of CZ trivia.

 

[Gord]

My 75B Omega will engage the safety at half cock.

AFAIK, stock 75Bs will not.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The competition hammer is one of the mods, when done properly, that can allow the safety to be engaged when it otherwise wouldn't work.

I have no experience with the Omega trigger, yet, but know it is a different mechanism, and all of the "old rules" may not apply to that modification.