Question about selling out of State

[Ringer]

Never sold a gun before. On the ATF website it seems to say that I can sell to someone out of State as long as I ship to an FFL.

(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-state source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser's own state? A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-state source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's state of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. [18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29]

I couldn't find anything in Michigan Laws about this. BTW it's a handgun I'm thinking of selling.

For those that sell guns here, or anywhere online for that matter, do you just get a copy of the license of the FFL the purchaser is using and ship UPS/Fedex? I can't find anything requiring the use of FFL on my end.

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[OneFreeTexan]

Shipping handgun out-of-state

I believe that it is the responsibility of the receiving FFL holder to determine if the 'buyer' is legally allowed to buy a handgun. He will be the one dong the NICS check. If the 'buyer' fails to gain FFL approval, than it's a problem what to do with the gun. I know a local Michigan gun shop that received a handgun from out-of-state, the potential buyer failed the NICS check. The seller had already been paid for the gun, so it's still at the receiving dealers shop.
Second problem is how are you going to ship it. Sometimes USPS will accept a handgun, but only from a FFL to a FFl, sometimes they won't ship it at all. Same with UPS and Fedex. The shipping rules seem to change with the person you're talking to. However, I've seen instance where a handgun has been shipped by USPS from one person to himself in another state, for hunting.......so who knows??

 

[Valkman]

Shipping it to an FFL is your way of covering yourself - this way you don't send a gun directly to someone who may use it in a crime. Also no carrier will ship it without shipping it to a FFL. Some may send you a copy of an FFL, some won't. Some here got nasty even asking about it! Let the buyer pick an FFL, then check up as much as you can (call them) to make sure they are an FFL. The only other thing you can do is go to a gun shop in your town and ask them if they know the referred FFL.

 

[Zak Smith]

You must ship directly to an FFL on their end. You do not have to go through an FFL on your end. Use FEDEX or UPS. I've had better luck with FEDEX.

There are two ways to ensure the address you're sending it to has a valid FFL:

1. Receive an ink-signed copy from them in the mail, or
2. Get their FFL number and look it up on the ATF's EZ-Check web page.

-z

 

[Ringer]

Was hoping FFL wasn't required on my end. I've never tried UPS but have shipped a couple guns for repair Fedex without hassle so I'm not worried about the shipping part.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[EOD Guy]

Be sure that the buyer's FFL will accept a shipment of a firearm from an unlicensed person. Some won't, either through a CYA policy or from ignorance of the law. They may want a copy of your driver's license or other ID as proof of identity.

 

[Majic]

Also be sure that it's legal for the potential buyer to have that particular handgun in his/her state. Some states have bans on certain handguns.