geo57
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Among you owners of the unconverted Saiga AK style rifles in 7.62x39 that have had, tried, & use the hi-cap mags offerd by Surefire and ProMag, which has given you the most trouble free service ? Thanks.
geo57 said:Among you owners of the unconverted Saiga AK style rifles in 7.62x39 that have had, tried, & use the hi-cap mags offerd by Surefire and ProMag, which has given you the most trouble free service ? Thanks.
First things first. Unless you make some modifications to the gun putting either one of those magazines in it violates 922(r), federal law.
You are if you have other USA parts to the correct total of usa parts. Mag counts as 3. 10 total needed I think.
huh? I thought both were made in the US so they are good to go?
IMHO- If you only need one just get a surefire. If you want a bunch, order a dozen thermolds and file them down.
you have it bass awkards. You can't have more than 10 imported parts. You have to know the total part count (as determined by the BATF), and then replace enough items. Simple.
You clearly do not understand what 922(r) is all about then.
Thanks Girodin, but now I'm really more confused than ever after reading the link. 922r talks of assembling similar guns to foreign guns using imported parts. An unaltered Saiga 7.62X39 is a whole imported gun....which is not illegal to have. Now if I use an American-made magazine specific for that gun, how does that make me noncompliant with 922r?
Why isn't every Italian Beretta or CZ75 noncompliant the first time we use a made-in-US magazine in it? Or, for that matter, the CZ452 that I just put a Canadian-made shim and spring in?
Once you put a high cap mag (of any origin) in it, it's no longer a "sporting weapon" and is then subject to 922r.
You can run US made 30rnders in a stock Saiga (state law provided
Now if I use an American-made magazine specific for that gun, how does that make me noncompliant with 922r?
If it somehow magically does,
An unaltered Saiga has 17 of those parts so seven must be US made.
Why isn't every Italian Beretta or CZ75 noncompliant the first time we use a made-in-US magazine in it?
(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925 (d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to—
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General. (emphasis added)
then why do we only have this discussion with AK's and SKS's?
Okay, I may just be dense, but didn't jodavk and Rob G just contradict each other????
thermolds need some dremmel work so pick your poison.
...And yet, the Saiga 5.45, as imported will accept, and function, with a standard AK74 surplus magazine.
...isn't in a military looking configuration and are converted once here to achieve the correct parts count. Sellers simply don't go into the gory details of what has to be done to the guns to sell them with a pistol grip.the Saiga 5.45, as imported
http://www.jgsales.com/saiga-5.45x3...gi,-converted-by-delta-arms.-new.-p-6905.htmlMade in Russia by Izhmash, Imported by TGI Knoxville, TN. Modified by Delta Arms in USA to AK pattern by installing a bullet guide (to facilitate feeding from hi cap magazines) relocating the trigger assembly and installing Tapco fire control components, also fitting a USA manufactured military pattern buttstock and pistol grip.