Question-Post SR9c letdown: Do U avoid guns w/ mag discon "safeties?"

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I do.

Why would I pay $$$ for a gun that tells ME when it can fire, and puts me in danger if the magazine has been lost?

A magazine disconnect "safety" is a dealbreaker. I won't buy a gun that has one, and the two models I have that HAD one, I disabled this idiotic function (easy to do on bersas, and even easier on hi points).

For some reason I thought the SR9 did not have a mag disconnect "safety" but the SR9c hype page says this:

Just like the original, full-sized SR9, the SR9c is loaded with modern safety features like a 1911-style ambidextrous manual safety, internal trigger bar interlock and striker blocker, trigger safety, magazine disconnect
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So ruger, "modern" = good? New Jersey says that "modern" = personalized firearm that is ultra complex and expensive.

My question to everyone here, is do you avoid guns with mag disconnect "safeties" as I do?
 
No personal experience, but have read in reviews that the mag safety could be easily disabled. There may even be info in the manual to this effect. If so, seems wise--buyers can have it their way, and if there's ever any fallout, buyer is the one who removed the safety.

Makes perfect sense to me. I think having the option to keep or disable it lets me tailor the gun to my needs and wants. I may live in a state where it's required, or my employer may mandate it. If not, it goes into the cigar box with the take-off parts of other guns.
 
Jeez.

The SR9 mag safety can be removed in 10 seconds. Really.

I had a S&W 4506 with a mag safety. They come out easily too.

Do I avoid machines with features I can easily modify?

No.
 
I do. My only experience is a STAR BM, which is otherwise an incredibly good pistol, at $200 a pop no less. Big disappointment. I don't fiddle with gun guts. Not experienced or competent in it.
 
I don't really care one way or another.
It's easy enough to remove if I don't like it so really, why in the world would I complain about it. I'll worry about things like that when I run out of real legitimate concerns in my life.
 
I have a Star MOD 30MI and I've removed the mag safety. Now, I can use Ramline S&W 5900 series 17 rounders. Before, I needed stock mags which were unavailable.

I wouldn't avoid a gun if it was simple to remove the mag safety. It took 3-4 minutes to do on my gun.

The Star Mod 30 is a great 9MM. If I had flat-out avoided mag safeties, I would have never bought it and my life would have thus been somewhat diminished.*



*It really is a great 9MM. I'm a revolver guy and I will never sell this one.
 
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If the sr9 mag discon "safety" can be removed in 10 seconds then great. That is almost as good as not building it with an unnecessary part in the first place.
 
I avoid any gun with a magazine disconnect (unless it's easily removable) based on my experience in IDPA competition. The usual mandatory drill when finishing a stage in IDPA is (1) remove magazine, (2) cycle the slide to show the RO that there is no round in the chamber, and (3) aim in a safe direction and pull the trigger as an additional safety measure. You can't do this, of course, if there is a functioning mag disconnect.
 
Yes, I do avoid them in carry/defensive guns. In a range gun, I don't really care. I would not carry a gun that has mag disconnect safety... or a manual safety for that matter. Same goes for internal locks... they either get removed or the gun gets removed. All of this crap serves no practical purpose, other than to appease the company's legal division.
 
If the sr9 mag discon "safety" can be removed in 10 seconds then great. That is almost as good as not building it with an unnecessary part in the first place.
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The mag safety was included in the design so the SR9 could be sold in California, Massachusetts, and other states that require it. Simple fix.

If you don't want it, (and who aside from LEO would?) remove it! :)
 
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My only gun that has one is my 22/45. Some have issues with this due to the trigger pulls in the takedown and assembly. I do the pull on the takedown and manually manipulate the hammer on assembly so this is no issue for me. I would prefer to not have them on any firearm let alone a defensive firearm. That said, I have never though about it when purchasing so I guess its not a big issue for me.

Also, the SR9c was not a letdown for me. I was not expecting Ruger to reinvent the wheel. The site said something like "See what's next" or something not "prepare to have your lives changed irrevocably by our firearm revolution" so I figured something like this would be it. I am sure they will sell some if they come down to the SR9 price around where I am, $350.
 
If I had children I would consider buying an auto with a mag disconnect. That way I could keep the weapon with one in the chamber but without the mag it could not be fired by any small hands that might get hold of it. I would then keep the mag on me so I could ready it in an instance if needed.
 
The mag safety was included in the design so the SR9 could be sold in California, Massachusetts, and other states that require it. Simple fix.
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maybe I'm just too hard headed and hard core, but catering to states that violate our rights, in pursuit of the almighty $ just seems wrong and I won't support it or encourage it.

If I had children I would consider buying an auto with a mag disconnect. That way I could keep the weapon with one in the chamber but without the mag it could not be fired by any small hands that might get hold of it. I would then keep the mag on me so I could ready it in an instance if needed.
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Relying on a "safety," instead of proper instruction, is always dangerous. What happens if the kid locates the magazine (yea yea, I know, that will never happen-right?).
 
I have yet to see ONE actual instance where the ability to fire one round while the mag is accidentally dropped or while in the middle of a mag change has been a benefit. I DO know two cops personally who are here because of them.

The odds of you being in a SD shooting are tiny. The odds of you remembering to drop the mag before slide lock are even smaller. The odds of you being cool enough to be able to make the mag switch and not drop the mag are infintesimal. facts is that people HAVE been saved by the mag disconnect. Too many people thinkh they're Jack Bauer. They're usually the same ones who have a $2000 M4 with an Eotech, super bright gunlight, and a second mag coupled to the one in their gun as their "home defense" gun.

Find me ONE instance of the mag dosconnect being a liability, and I'll find you FIFTY of it being a benefit
 
I have read that it is a bad idea to remove a safety device from a defensive handgun. If one was to have to use that gun in a defensive situation a prosecutor could use it to make the jury believe you were a reckless, irresponsible type person. Just something to think about.
 
I have read that it is a bad idea to remove a safety device from a defensive handgun. If one was to have to use that gun in a defensive situation a prosecutor could use it to make the jury believe you were a reckless, irresponsible type person. Just something to think about.
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Cite one case.
 
I was taught never to rely on a mechanical safety. I teach that to my huntsafe students also, but that doesn't mean I don't use the safety.

I'd place a lot more confidence in a mag safety than I would in a youngster following orders, 'specially if I wasn't right there to observe and enforce.

And I'm guessing Ruger would rather aggravate a few than forego thousands of potential sales in states that require the mag safety. After all, if you weren't upset about that, you might be upset about ol' Bill's remarks, or a crappy trigger pull, or Keltec knockoffs, or...:D
 
Didn't the early S&W semi autos have this feature? It seems like the 469 my brother had years ago had the magazine disconnect. Of course, this was about twenty years ago, so my memory is little fuzzy.

As it happens, none of my current guns has the mag disconnect, but this is just coincidence. I don't have a real preference either way.
 
Easy to remove. Makes it NOT a deal-breaker. If it were, I would not own a HiPower, which is by FAR my favorite pistol. If the mag disconnect didn't come out, I would NOT own one. I hate the damned things.
 
Didn't the early S&W semi autos have this feature? It seems like the 469 my brother had years ago had the magazine disconnect. Of course, this was about twenty years ago, so my memory is little fuzzy.
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I think all S&W 3rd gen. guns have a mag safety. I can't speak to the 2n gen. guns.

It's easily removed as well.
 
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