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Are you amused when you outshoot someone who has a much more expensive rifle than you

  • Yep

    Votes: 102 63.0%
  • Nope

    Votes: 60 37.0%

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I answered "No." I actually feel bad for those people who own expensive guns they cannot shoot. Most of the time when it happens that I use an inexpensive gun and out-shoot someone with a more expensive gun, it is mainly because that person doesn't know what he or she is doing. Or, my gun is purpose-built for the task at hand so I have an edge.

For example, along with two friends who are also THR members, I was shooting trap a few weeks back. I used a 870 Wingmaster, as did one of my friends. The other had a Barreta 3901 (or something like that - an Italian autoloading sporting shotgun) and we were doing quite well. These other guys nearby had some nice autoloading tactical shotguns complete with pistol grips and ghostrings. They were having a tough time of it and one of them was staring jealously at me disintegrating clays with a pump-action that was older than I am (Wingmaster made in 1960). Actually, if we switched guns with them I think we would have still done better than they did because they didn't know what they were doing.

I also like playing with my WWII milsurp bolt-actions and as most of you know, they can be good bargains. One of them is a beat-up old Finnish M28 Mosin Nagant I managed to pick up for $140 OTD about a year and a half ago. So I'm shooting these steel plates at 100 yards with a raggedly looking old foreign rifle from the standing position and I'm getting hits every time (the plates are over a foot in diameter so it's not as hard as it may sound). Meanwhile, these guys with AR-15's and FAL's are blasting away from the bench at these same steel plates and only getting about 50% hits, if that. And when he thinks I'm not looking, one of the guys comes over to stare at my M28, as if he wanted to know what kind of secret ninja gun came out of a time machine to perform so well here in 2007. Now, don't get me wrong, I love black rifles and own a couple myself. My National Match AR is an absolute joy to shoot - it's just that on that day, I was shooting a milsurp. The thing is, there is no reason why those guys couldn't have hit that steel plate each and every time (it's a freakin' foot in diameter, for heaven's sake!) but they didn't know what they were doing.

I feel bad for these people because they don't have the knowledge to even try to get better. Someday, heaven forbid, they might actually have to use these guns to defend their own lives, or the lives of loved ones.

Oh, and one last thing. Expensive guns often do shoot better than the bargain guns. Or at least, I often do perform better with a higher quality gun, assuming it fits me and good ammo is used. And I think customizing is a good thing, as well. I usually try to buy the nicest gun I can afford, and it's just that the gun-fund usually isn't as big as I'd like.
 
Yep, Personally I would feel sorry for the guys with the expensive custom guns too, but it would be momentarily funny to beat them at competition with an old cheap rifle.
 
Outshoot?

Well, I dunno.

I'l let you know how it feels the day I actually out-shoot someone.

I'm sure it'll be priceless.

Still workin' on it.
 
A happy and healthy Thanksgiving to all.

I shot high power for a couple of years in 2005 and 2006. I was sixty seven years old in 2006 and the NRA club I belong to shoots some serious high power. Two of the regulars are ranked nationally. For the most part, the guys shoot custom AR15s and they shoot some scary scores where the X count determines the winner. I didn't own an AR and although offered a "club" gun I chose to compete with what I had at the time. I shot for two years in NRA highpower with a K31 using surplus Swiss military ammo. I never won, never came close to winning, but I didn't always come in last either. I would never be amused at another shooters frustration, as I've had more than enough of my own.
 
"We both get a kick out of that when the guys he beats are shooting those $20,000 shotguns and he beats 'em with the 870."

Would I feel any better about losing if I used my 870 Express instead of my Guerini?

Would I feel any better about shooting huge groups with an inexpensive rifle instead of my Cooper?

If I want to fool around at the range shooting big dirt clods and big groups with my Colt WWI Repro, well, I'm sorry that upsets some of you. What makes you think I'm competing - or even halfway trying. Next time, tap me on the shoulder and offer to bet some folding money. ;)

I'm going to buy the best I can afford and enjoy them all. I won't dump all of my inexpensive guns, but life's too short to only shoot entry-level guns.

Seriously, I only get a kick out of outshooting a stranger if it's with his gun. Happens more often than not. Sort of beginners luck with the first shot.

John
 
Would I feel any better about losing if I used my 870 Express instead of my Guerini?

Im no shotgun expert, but i think between an 870 and a high end shotgun the difference is 50% name. Aside from a better trigger, smoother action, more reliable (most shotguns are reliable to 100%) they all come down to spewing out lead. Theres no real precision to a shotgun pattern, its all about the spread, not like a rifle.
 
I'm with Arfin. Still waiting on "priceless", and still having a great time shooting. Moreover, since most of my rifles are old mil-surps the other folks are almost always shooting much more expensive rifles.
 
There are some precision disciplines, where it really does come down to the rifle, as well as the shooter. In those insatnces, I would be very pleasantly surprised:)

However more informal competitions (NRA light rifle for example) put more emphasis on the shooter (sure a an Anschutz sporter w/ $150 glass is an advantage over a CZ Trainer w/ $29 glass) than the gear. Then, I'm happy to win regardless.
 
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