Range Reports - NAA Black Widow

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LynnKCircle

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I've always been a fan of miniatures. In handguns, because I happen to be a peculiar shooter, I've always favored adjustable sights so I can correct for my individual peculiarities. One peculiarity is that because my trigger finger was smashed years ago, it has a boney knob on the bottom of where the first knuckle used to be. If I don't consciously concentrate on trigger control, the knob levers the trigger and I tend to shoot about 4" below my point of aim at 10 yards.

Therefore, when I found my first Black Widow was shooting about 12" high at 7 yards with the rear sight screwed down tight to the frame, I knew something was wrong. I sent it back in for repairs and received an entirely different gun which shot only about an inch high at 7 yards (that is with the front sight screwed down to the frame). But, unlike the first gun, this one had a gritty, staging trigger.

I should also say that even if the adjustable sights could have been properly adjusted vertically, they had no provision for adjusting them horizontally except for drifting the sights in their dovetails, just as with fixed sights. That wasn't too cool with me, either.

When I again wrote Sandy (Sandy Chisholm, President of North American Arms) to say I was still not happy with his product, he asked me what would make me happy. I offered three alternatives, one of which was to return my original gun with its superb trigger with either a good set of adjustable sights or, alternatively, fixed sights. Since getting my first Black Widow I had been reading on the Net that almost everyone who had the adjustable sights had had problems with them, whereas those who bought guns with the fixed sights were very happy with their purchase.

Last Wednesday my original revolver was returned to me with fixed sights installed. Apparently the vertical adjustment of the "adjustable" sights is too much of a problem for the factory to overcome at this time.

The first thing I noticed is that, even though I am using the same pocket holster as before, the entire gun seems far less bulky and feels lighter than it did with the adjustable sights. It's strange, but apparently the minutely greater width of the adjustable rear sight and the greater heighth of its corresponding front sight mad a significant difference as to how the gun & holster slides into a pocket. While I could carry the combination in tight jeans before, the grip aways threatened to peek out of the pocket Now it fits securely in the same pocket without any problems.

Last Friday I took the gun out to the range. Just as I remembered the trigger is superb. There's no takeup or grittiness at all; just a tightness and then BANG! I fired about 200 rounds of .22LR (Remington Golden Bullet .40 grain solids) and my last 25 round os .22WMR (CCI). Every single round fired off. When the gun was brand new, some rounds needed second strikes, but whether it was just breaking in (as I'd expected) or a factory adjustment, the revolver was 100% reliable.

Some of the ammo wasn't however, I could hear the difference in the reports, and some rounds were noticably underpowered. Not surprisingly, these went way low. But the gun shot to point of aim with .22LR, when I really concentrated on grip and trigger pull. When I got careless or shot too rapidly, my old habit kicked in and I was hitting about two inches below point of aim. With .22 WMR the gun was shooting about .5" above point of aim, which meant that when I shot rapidly I hit pretty close to what I was pointing at.

I didn't have a benchrest to really test the gun like I did earlier, so all firing was done standing with a two-handed grip. That means that the variation was my fault and I wasn't able to do more than get an intuitive feeling for its accuracy. But the fact that there were a lot of three-shot groups with touching holes tells me that this little revolver is as accurate as anyone could wish, and far more accurate than I am as a shooter.

My conclusions and recommendations: the NAA Black Widow is a superb hideaway always-with-you gun. I believe it is arguably the very smallest firearm which offers some sort of realistic self-defense potential. .22 WMR from its two-inch barrel should certainly have better terminal ballistics than a .25ACP fired from a small pocket semiautomatic. With its .22lr cylinder, the Black Widow offers the opportunity for practicing enough at low cost to really master the weapon, something else not available with center-fire pocket autos. I can recommend it without reservation -- well, with only one reservation: DON'T BUY THE ADJUSTABLE SIGHT MODEL.

(I also have to highly compliment NAA's devotion to customer service!)
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Cool.

One question: how was the shot-to-shot repeatability of the CCI 22Magnums? I've always found them to be exceptionally good stuff, 100% reliable ignition and good accuracy. You didn't say which load; the 40grainers are the easiest to find but the two +V 30grainers (original and "TNT" with a Sierra bullet) are what perform in minirevolvers - 1,200fps from a Black Widow.
 
Here's another thumbs up for the little black widow. Thanks to Jim, it is through his posts I began to ponder this little thing. I first chose the 1/ 5/8" model with the factory smallish grips, that lasted all of about 3 rounds, because on the 3rd, it slipped and lacerated my thumb wide open. Back to the drawing board. Some months down the road I decided to try it again, this time I will listen to Jim-get the black widow. What can I say this thing is great fun. It is a pain to load, but comfortable with the larger rubber grip. Oddly, it is more accurate in quick presentation from a low ready than it is relying on the sights which tend to shoot left and high. Also, my rear sight drifted a bit on its own during 75 rounds or so I tried. :)
 
CCI Ammo

I wasn't using the more expensive TNT or +V ammo, but rather what I THINK were called Mini-Mag HP's (When I went to write that I hesitated because I thought the Mini-Mags were .22 LR). But it was the kind of ammo which sells for $6.75 a box at our local discount sporting goods store (Academy).

The consistency was very good, even better than the .22LR I was using. (And I have now bought a box of the +V, being unable to find the TNT. That's what I'll be carrying from now on.)

Good shooting, all!
 
IIRC, CCI named the .22LR rounds as Mini-Mag, and the .22WMR rounds are Maxi-Mag.

I have looked at the NAA revolvers from time to time, but I just can't seem to effectively shoot a micro-gun.

Shooting Buddy has one of the "Guardians" in .32ACP(?) and I tried a couple of mags...only hit the paper once, and never hit the actual sillouette

If you can shoot the Black Widow well, OK! Works for me. Carry what you can best use.
 
Has anybody else tried the CCI 50 gr. gold dots in thier Black widow ?

I tried some this afternoon to see how they would expand and they went through 3 full 2 liter plastic soda bottles and into a tree stump behind too deep to recover. :what: It did appear that they both tumbled in bottle number 3.

Just curious if any has any chrono numbers on this round.
 
Some good news: CCI uses the same shells and primers on all 22Mag fodder. So if you're having good reliability with the 40grain "Standard Maxi-Mag", you'll be in the same place on all others in terms of "will it go boomness".

I've never had one fail, myself.

Dunno about ballistics on the new 50grainer CCI. Somebody write Sandy Chisolm and see if they'll test it.

On Black Widow grips:

If you find the rubber grips too big and the smallest "bird's head" type too small, there's two different intermediate steps.

1) NAA's accessories catalog has a "medium sized wood grip". They don't ship it standard on any gun, but it's available cheap. Some people start with that and dremel 'em down custom as desired.

2) Since the rubber grip has no hard plastic core as found on Hogues, Pakmeyers and the like, they respond very well to re-shaping with X-Acto knives, dremel polishing bits (esp. the sanding drums) and similar. See this page for pics of an example:

http://www.equalccw.com/jimguns.html

This "rubber bird's head" fills in the gap behind the triggerguard and gives you an extra finger's-worth to hold onto, yet the backstrap is fully exposed and the gun's length is therefore the same as if it had the smallest wood bird's head.

Oh, and if you screw it up, replacement rubber grips are dirt cheap (see also accessory page, www.naaminis.com ).
 
About the .17HMR Black Widow

From NAA's website-

.22 WMR CCI Maxi Mag +V 30gr. 1300fps --energy 112, momentum 5, TKO 1

.22LR CCI Stinger 32 Gr. HP 1010--energy 72,momentum 4,TKO 1

.17HMR 17gr. 1200fps--energy 54,momentun 2,TKO 0


Cool but not very usefull.
 
Rangie, I've been monkeying with the Gold Dot WMR out of my 1 5/8 barreled NAA. I haven't tested 'em on anything solid though, but they are nice, hot, and accurate. Heck, I even hit paper at 25 yards, and I doubt I'll ever be shooting it past 5-7.

I'd be curious about an expansion test on them as well.
 
The golddot seems tobe a lot tougher bullet than the TNT so I don't think they'll expand at all out of a mini. They do penetrate like nobody's business though !

I haven't tried grouping the 50gr. golddots yet. The 30gr. TNT load does about 3" at 10 yards for me and I'm kind of an average shot.
 
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