Raw venison

[Double_J]

I have a friend who is vegan, raw food, and gluten free. She has given me quite a course on nutrition and it has helped. She does understand that I eat meat, but I also enjoy it on the rare side. Seafood I enjoy as close to raw as possible, especially good sushi.

I have no problem discussing vegan eating with omnivore eating. I do believe that we as a species have gotten to far into the "meat with every meal" way of thinking. We need to trim both our meat intake and portion size for everything. I have increased the amount of plant matter that I eat, and I also am very careful about what kind of meat and how much I eat. I try to only eat fresh wild meat/seafood by choice. I also go to a local meat market and get fresh meat from a local slaughter house. There is a HUGE taste difference between it and the stuff from the chain grocery store. I also try to only eat organic plant matter, not for the nutritional value because it is about the same. I eat it because I want to minimize the pesticides used in production.

I saw that another poster listed that vegans are of two types. One is the eat vegan and not criticize others, and the other type who is saying "look at me". I have very little use for the second type of vegan. They typically do little research on the topic and do not know what an omnivore is, nor do they care what someone else thinks. Oh well, let them take massive amounts of supplements to get what I get naturally.

 

[35 Whelen]

I think we analyze our eating habits too much. I don't think meat at every meal is unhealthy either. Some study comes out that says too much red meat will kill us and people panic and fish becomes the meat of choice.

I look to my recent ancestors. I've been blessed to have known five of my great-grandparents. They didn't wring their hands and fret over what was healthy. All of them ate like most Texans used to: eggs and bacon every morning, whole milk (whole as in straight from the cow), lots of fried food, etc. The one who died the youngest was 93, the oldest 104 yrs., 11 mos. Grandparents ranged from 81 to 96.
One thing they did have in common was most of the food they consumed was fresh. They grew most of their vegetables and raised their own meat. That's one of the reasons I'm such a big fan of venison, the other being that over the last 12 or so years I've eaten so much of it, that I honestly prefer it over beef.

35W

 

[MtnCreek]

35 Whelen,
A couple of other things that probably made a big difference is they didn't have to go to the gym to get their workout and I doubt they lived with the constant stress that most of us do today.

Maybe it's just in my head, but eating a lot of uncooked fish makes me feel more energetic.

 

[Mp7]

.... it´s definitely easier to digest if cooked.
Considering humanity has only been farming for 5000 years...
.... the assumption that meat is not meant to be eaten, is plainly wrong.

In fact it´s the reason our brain grew. Our vegetarian chimp-relatives
still sit in the trees.

 

[fallout mike]

I'm not gonna knock you raw meat eaters, but my personal thoughts is that I think my meat should be cooked since we have now discovered fire.

 

[25cschaefer]

If eating one kind of meat raw is bad, all meat is bad. Then, because some plants are bad to eat, eating all plants is bad.

So eating is bad, I would say all you can do is drink water, but some water is bad... You see where that logic leads.

 

[303tom]

Being one of them people who eat MEAT, I love venison, fowl, & fish & or seafood, but my favorite is a huge azz Bovine steak ie Bison..........or Buffalo in layman's terms.

 

[MtnCreek]

You see where that logic leads.

It leads us directly to beer, which could increase our chances of consuming raw meat. Back at square one..

 

[rcmodel]

I would not eat raw venison on a bet.

Read up on Chronic Wasting Disease and you won't either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

It is similar to Mad Cow Disease, and I had a good friend die from that four years ago.

rc

 

[KodiakBeer]

By putting so much meat into our diet we are contributing to our poor health, and creating also ecological problems.

It may contribute to ecological problems, but meat is not bad for health. The Eskimo diet was entirely meat and fish and they had great health with low cholesterol, good teeth and almost a complete absence of heart disease or cancer. The vitamins that doctors tell us are only available in fruits and vegetables are all present in raw animal livers.

Some of the plains Indians also lived entirely on meat. The raw liver was considered a delicacy and was dipped in bile from the gall bladder as a sharp tasting condiment, which again supplied all the essential vitamins. They were also a healthy people until they were introduced to whiskey and a high carbohydrate diet.

 

[Hk Dan]

Just be careful of worms. I've seen a lot of whitetail with round worm lately, and I wouldn't eat it raw for that reason.

 

[CoRoMo]

...they told me that the human body cannot digest raw meat so we were never ment to eat it.

My response would have been...

Most people who hear you say something like that might not know one way or the other, but those of us who know the truth will mock you when you aren't around to hear it.​

I would not eat raw venison on a bet.

Read up on Chronic Wasting Disease and you won't either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

Prions cannot be destroyed from any amount of cooking. If you unknowingly had CWD meat, it wouldn't matter if you ate it raw or if you cooked it into a charred clod, the prions would remain.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/5479931/ns/today-today_health/t/how-deadly-prions-are-destroyed/

 

[rcmodel]

Well, whether they are or whether they're not, I still don't eat raw pork, raw chicken, or raw wild game.

rc

 

[CoRoMo]

Me neither, but my boy won't eat a hot dog that has been cooked. Pickiest kid I ever known. I've eaten 'raw' hot dogs as well, but that doesn't count.

 

[Kachok]

I would not eat raw venison on a bet.

Read up on Chronic Wasting Disease and you won't either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

It is similar to Mad Cow Disease, and I had a good friend die from that four years ago.

rc

CWD does not keep me up at night and here is why.
Although there have been reports in the popular press of humans being affected by CWD, a study by the CDC suggests that "[m]ore epidemiologic and laboratory studies are needed to monitor the possibility of such transmissions."[2] The epidemiological study further concludes that, "[a]s a precaution, hunters should avoid eating deer and elk tissues known to harbor the CWD agent (e.g., brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen, tonsils, lymph nodes) from areas where CWD has been identified."[2]
I don't eat the brains, eyes or any of the others.
The argents responsable CWD seem not to be destroyed by cooking so raw or char-broiled it makes no difference just like mad cow, besides there are no reported cases of CWD within a thousand miles of me.
Eating/drinking anything at any time anywhere could kill you, worrying about every single thing you eat will kill you for sure

 

[CoRoMo]

I don't eat the brains, eyes or any of the others.

Something I've heard is that at Colorado State University, they've been feeding mountain lions, dogs, cats, etc. the brains and other CONFIRMED tissue with CWD present.

IIRC, so far they have not been able to successfully transmit the disease to the consumer of the tissue.

I haven' looked into it in a long time, so don't quote me on that.

 

[Kachok]

I think that it is fair to say that I am more likley to be struck by lightning 3 times while winning the lottery and sprouting a second head then to die from CWD from eating wild meat cooked or otherwise. If any wild meat will ever hurt me I would think it would be all the redfish, seatrout, and shark. They are a touch high in mercury (Thanks Mexico ) There is always some virus or bacteria that can be on anything we eat or drink, constantly worring about it seems silly. BTW I do freeze my venison for two weeks before eating raw, this is the same treatment that tuna and mackral get before they are used for sushi, it kills any parasites that could be in the meat. As long as you freeze it in water it won't ruin the tenderness/flavor of the raw venison

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Oh, and insulting vegetarians won't get you far.
I would posit that I have met as many if not more idiot meat eaters as I have vegetarians
and that the people who actually know the most about nutrition are generally VEGETARIANS...

^^^^ That right there may have been THE most uneducated, misinformed, just flat out stupid statement I have ever seen on this forum to date. I lived through the onslaught of the vegetarian fad and I am here to tell you one thing right now, I have NEVER seen a healthy vegetarian/vegan whatever they choose to call themselves these days. They are almost always pasty colored, thin for height, getting sick all the time and various other dilemmas. They try to say that your body isn't made for meat, then ask them one simple question. "Why the hell do we have incisors and canines?" The first clue to what type of diet an animal is built for is it's teeth. Regardless of all the superior BS in the world that humans try to think, we are ANIMALS. We are a predatory species, built to eat various foods. We evolved this way for survival. It's a good thing our brain did develop because if we had to rely on these pathetically built bodies of ours to survive, man would have died out eons ago.

In fact it´s the reason our brain grew. Our vegetarian chimp-relatives
still sit in the trees.

Think again. Chimps eat meat any time they can catch it. Which can actually be quite often.

 

[1KPerDay]

I was having a debate with some vegans the other day, they told me that the human body cannot digest raw meat so we were never ment to eat it. I eat raw venison all the time, I don't get any digestive issues with it, they called me a liar!

Your first mistake was having a debate with vegans.

 

[Kachok]

Hey Freedom fighter, there is in fact a difference between vegans and vegetarians, in fact vegans don't like vegetarians because even though they don't consume meat they do consume and/or use other anamal products (dairy, honey..etc) Vegans don't think we should have any interaction with anamals PERIOD! So if you shampoo was tested on cats it is against the vegan cult code. I agree with you that I have never known a healthy vegan, they all look so weak and pale, every time I look at one I want to reach for another slice of meat I will say that not all vegan food sucks though, I found a few things that I really liked when on the diet, but I still missed my fish and deer, commercial beef/pork I can do without, but I gatta have my wild game.

 

[jk2008]

As I have gotten older, my preference for cooked meat has moved from medium-well to medium to medium-rare. I never have been a big fan of raw meat, though. Mostly it's the flavor, which I don't care for, but the slight risk of exposure to parasites is also a factor.

As far as I'm concerned, not enough is known about CWD. I wouldn't consume any part of an animal that was known to be infected.

Regarding vegetarians and vegans...

I have a few friends who are vegetarians. Two with whom I've discussed the topic at length had differing reasons for their lifestyles. One could not bring herself to "eat anything that had a face", and the other said he wouldn't support the meat industry because of its inefficient use of resources on the global scale. I don't agree with either of them, but they were both intelligent people (both engineers) who were passionate about their beliefs, and they did not force their beliefs on others... ever.

Perhaps it's because they are fewer and farther between and that my data sample is smaller, but I have yet to meet a vegan who isn't something of a snob (maybe zealot is a better word)--and unpleasant to be around.

 

[JohnBT]

I like meat warm and rare, not raw. But back to vegetablearians for a minute.

I thought they got that way because they couldn't eat anything with a face. I wonder why they can't hear the vegetables scream when they're pulled from the ground.

I'm not giving up meat, but the secret is portion control and lots of physical labor. I spent most on the day on the road, sitting obviously, but had a 7-oz sirloin with garlic and onions for lunch. And a Vegan sandwich for dinner so far. I'm thinking about walking down the block for calamari and maybe a piece of chocolate cake to go from the Italian place.

There's a new vegan food cart across the street and it's wonderful. She's professionally trained and sold her restaurant last year and her sandwiches will open your sinuses unless you tell her to de-spice them. (When I say vegan I'm not talking about beans and rice and steamed veggies from the '70s.)

Rooster Cart, Rotating menu, all vegan:

Baguettes/Viet Hoagies:

- Rooster- red chili mock rooster with scallions, cukes and cabbage
- Banh Mi- braised tofu, pickled daikon, napa cabbage, cilantro and cukes
- El Presidente- soy chorizo, avocado, cilantro and jade sauce
- Sleeveless Hawaiian- red chili mock chicken, mac and cheese, sweet peas, napa cabbage and pickles
- Culture Shock- mock chicken, curry aioli, red pepper, basil and orange
- Tempura Trexel- tempura yam+ pineapple, cilantro, jalapenos, cream cheese and sriracha peas
- Twin Peaks- grilled asparagus, strawberries, candied pecans, cream cheese,

 

[Rembrandt]

Can't imagine enjoying gun or archery hunting and bagging my limit.....two carrots, squash, and a cabbage. Just not the same.....

 

[JohnBT]

"By putting so much meat into our diet we are contributing to our poor health"

So you're saying my 89-year-old father and 91-year-old grandfather would have lived longer if they hadn't eaten fried meat three times a day? I better call my uncle and tell him there's still a chance for him to change his ways. He's 80 and starting to slow down.

My grandfather ate 2 fried eggs and fried meat every morning his entire adult life. My family has been all about meat and potatoes on both sides going back as far as we know - the mid-1700s. Veggies on the side are cooked in fatback or bacon grease and lots of salt and pepper. Butter. I'll eat dry toast before I use margarine for anything.

I've been meaning to get a new family doctor. I'm 61 and mine died in 1983.

John

 

[BK]

Chimps eat meat any time they can catch it. Which can actually be quite often.

That is correct. The males will set out in hunting parties to kill something large, even other primates. They really do prefer meat as often as they can have it, just like us.

I tried to be a vegetarian for most of a decade. I admit that I was only doing it for the image of being the peace loving yada yada. The distant secondary reason was for health reasons. I gave that up many years ago when I got honest with myself and most of the people around me. I like my steaks fairly rare now.