MarineTech, why would we think that alamo is related to RBCD? Alamo, the person is in Austin, Tx and McBrides gun shop in Austin sells RBCD. I should know, I live in Austin also. RBCD is in San Antonio, about 85 miles south. Not only that, but the guy shot bullet proof glass!! Why would someone from RBCD shoot bulletproof glass? For all we know you are associated with ammolab, after all you are in the same part of the country. In fact I think that the ammolab owner has the same computer background as you. Do you know each other? Are you a clandestine representative of ammolab? I don't really think that you are, but anyone can make unsubstantiated accusations on the internet and imply alamo's (who I do not know) report is 'supposedly unbiased and non-affiliated'. Attack the facts not the person. You are implying that he is in violation of the TOS.
RBCD is Roscoe, his son who I do not know, and wife Cindy. I have been to the shop, not where the machinery is because it is in a restricted area off limits to the public, and those are the only employees that I know of.
As far as ammolab being unbiased, I got a copy of the contract that ammolab asked RBCD to sign. Roscoe would not and I don't think ammolab liked it one bit. I posted excerpts on TFL. So I don't necesarily think that they are unbiased, but that is nothing more than my opinion and isn't any more valid than anyone elses. Someone from ammolab DID accuse me of being someone I am not. Remember the unsubstantiated accusations I referred to earlier? I don't even know who the people are ammolab accused me of being, nor do I care, but if you doubt it, I am currently attending a gun rights activist conference in Dallas. I had lunch with Jim March (
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/) today and dinner tonight with Jim March, Clayton Cramer author of 'The Racist Roots of Gun Control' (
www.claytoncramer.com), and Kenn Blanchard known around TFL as Blackmanwithagun which is also the title of his book (
www.blackmanwithagun.com). These are the references that anyone involved on these boards or involved with gun rights would know and are welcome to check out. The fact that ammolab would make accusations that are completely untrue without checking for the truth, leaves me VERY suspect of ANY other statements or claims that they might make.
As far as ballistic clay goes, it is used by the National Institute of Justice for their testing. The choice of test media is a matter of preference, some choose one, some another. I will be very happy to put this to rest if Sandia Labs is ever able to publish the results of their testing and you will be glad to know that they did use jelly. I agree, that is what everyone should use. Now it is just a matter of picking 10% or 20% and deciding on a temperature.
For any testing like this, it needs to be done by a QUALIFED person. The interpretations and conclusions must be done by QUALIFIED people. I have no idea the background of the testers nor the qualifications of anyone at any testing facility that would lead me to believe that any results are better from one or the other. Again, if the results came from Underwriters Laboratories or Sandia Labs I would be much more receptive to a scientific report than I am to opinion. My opinion is such that RBCD has been in my guns since 11/99.
agtman, I agree with 'What's with all the hostility to a new ammo product anyway? You buy a few packs or boxes and try it out. If it's not your cup of tea, stick with a more traditional load.' You will be happy with the penetration of intermediate obstacles like sheet rock if you are comparing it to a pre-frag, RBCD stays together.
Coltdriver, I don't know where you get the numbers from either, but they could be right, maybe even a little low in some months. I know of one order that went to 'a friendly govt' that was 10,000 rounds and that info was NOT from Roscoe, but through another source. Same source I found out about the world record Canadian sniper shot using RBCD. Hard to know if that was 20% of an entire months production, but I doubt it. You also mention the shootings with RBCD, there is a guy here in Austin who hunts hogs NW of here using RBCD in 9mm!!!!!! I wouldn't dream of trying to take a 200+ lb hog with a 9mm, but if I had to I would choose RBCD since I know it works.
The LEO version of RBCD cannot be sold to citizens. It is not like other LEO only ammo. RBCD will penetrate threat level II armor, maybe higher
, so is banned from sale to the public.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 >
Sec. 922. (a)
It shall be unlawful -
(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, except that this paragraph shall not apply to -
(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, except that this paragraph shall not apply to -
The LEO only ammo has a level of tungsten that gives it performance beyond what the law allows. It is considered 'armor piercing'. You would REALLY be surprised at what some of the rifle ammo can penetrate!!!! The U.S. Military is VERY concerned and some loads have been pulled or modified under instruction from BATF. Again, due to non-disclosure agreements that Roscoe has with the govt, my info came from, lets say, an area north of Austin.
I would be interested to know how Roscoe got independently owned forums to completely shut down, considering that he has never posted on any forum that I am aware of. I would like details of this. I do remember some group, was it Front Sight, that caused some problems, but I never got involved so don't know anything about it. I have never heard about RBCD shutting down a forum.
tetchaje1, I agree with much of what you say. RBCD has put some ballistic gelatin pictures on their site. The real eyeopener will be the test that they are going to be doing, hopefully this summer, using gelatin and filmed by a high speed camera. Roscoe has access to this thing and it shoots something like 1200 frames a second, IIRC. A new video will eventually be available with that footage, I hope by the end of the year. You did mention that RBCD threatened ammolab.com with litigation. I have heard nothing about that, but would fail to see how RBCD could sue someone for printing the truth. If what was to be published was libelous, that is another story. How do you know this to be fact? If RBCD threatened a suit, ammolab should provide you with a copy of the letter they received. I told Roscoe that the only way I would post a report on the contract ammolab sent RBCD was if he gave me a copy, so he did, which is where the excerpts came from that I posted on TFL.
Monk, you can do what I do and buy a box every month or two. One of the distributors hits the Dallas area gun shows and I grab a box when I am there.
There is some new info coming out on RBCD that I will report from the SHOT Show on Thursday.