Recommendations for first black powder revolver?

[.38 Special]

It is one thing to tastefully engrave the manufacturer's name into the gun. It is another to blast the owner's manual, dot-matrix style, onto every visible surface.

Ruger, as an example, responded to complaints about their paragraph of warnings printed on the barrels of their single actions by moving them to the underside, where they no longer ruin the gun's looks..

 

[Qweevox]

Why do all manufacturers of modern cartridge firearms prominently display their names on their guns? Name one who doesn't...

Jim

Uberti

They put their modern markings on the bottom of the barrel it's not as bold and you have to look for it.

 

[expat_alaska]

Uberti

They put their modern markings on the bottom of the barrel it's not as bold and you have to look for it.

Yes, sir, I know that. I have an Uberti Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon. The proofmarks and date code are still in plain sight on the frame, barrel, and cylinder. That way one can tell if it is a factory assembled gun or a kit gun.

Regards,

Jim

 

[arcticap]

That's a great price on the Remington '58, with extra cylinder included! I can't remember ever shooting a Piette Remington. What's the build quality?

The one thing I don't like, and it's a minor aesthetic feature, is Piette's insistence on making the modern markings so visible. "Black Powder Only".

I know, it's a minor gripe, but why not put it on the bottom of the barrel or something? Why put it on the side?

To be honest, the clearer the warning the better it is for consumer and public safety. as well as for the manufacturer for liability reasons.
Not everyone in the world [or even law enforcement] may know what an antique reproduction or a muzzle loader is and what it is intended to be loaded with, especially if it falls into the wrong hands.
Now doesn't that persuade you to change your opinion?

 

[Qweevox]

To be honest, the clearer the warning the better it is for consumer and public safety. as well as for the manufacturer for liability reasons.
Not everyone in the world [or even law enforcement] may know what an antique reproduction or a muzzle loader is and what it is intended to be loaded with, especially if it falls into the wrong hands.
Now doesn't that persuade you to change your opinion?

I don't know. I like the way Uberti marked the guns I own. On both the Walker and Army its on the underside of the barrel discretely under the loading lever. I like that better than the way Pietta marks theirs on the sides of their barrels.

I've never heard of a lawsuit against Uberti for being too discrete, or one thrown out for Pietta with their plain to see warnings on the side.

As far as LEOs go, in my state, a black powder revolver is considered a firearm for purposes of carrying it in public or transporting off private property. So we have to have a carry permit no matter what if we're going to carry it on our person in public. So at least here LEOs would treat anyone carrying one the same as if they were carrying a Glock. I know in Texas where my son lives they're not legally treated as firearms at all. You can legally walk around them without any kind of permit. But that has caused problems for at least a few YouTubers doing it. Even informing LEOs of this distinction has caused some unpleasant interactions in Texas. I don't think the markings would help in those kinds of situations.

So my personal preference is for the discrete warnings. But it's probably not enough of a bother for me personally to pass on a good deal.

 

[arcticap]

I don't know. I like the way Uberti marked the guns I own. On both the Walker and Army its on the underside of the barrel discretely under the loading lever. I like that better than the way Pietta marks theirs on the sides of their barrels.

I've never heard of a lawsuit against Uberti for being too discrete, or one thrown out for Pietta with their plain to see warnings on the side.

As far as LEOs go, in my state, a black powder revolver is considered a firearm for purposes of carrying it in public or transporting off private property. So we have to have a carry permit no matter what if we're going to carry it on our person in public. So at least here LEOs would treat anyone carrying one the same as if they were carrying a Glock. I know in Texas where my son lives they're not legally treated as firearms at all. You can legally walk around them without any kind of permit. But that has caused problems for at least a few YouTubers doing it. Even informing LEOs of this distinction has caused some unpleasant interactions in Texas. I don't think the markings would help in those kinds of situations.

So my personal preference is for the discrete warnings. But it's probably not enough of a bother for me personally to pass on a good deal.

As long as muzzle loaders and C&B revolvers are capable of being loaded and fired with smokeless powder that can blow them up and create liability lawsuits, then some manufacturers are going to put billboard warnings on their barrels.
Some people do load them with smokeless powder and if they blow themselves up then the lack of a warning is a definite liability.
If it's a billboard then there's no excuse for not seeing it.

Look at the C&B reproductions of the Colt 1873.
The Uberti 1873 C&B model named the Cattleman was discontinued, but folks discussed how easy it would be to convert it to shoot center fire cartridges.
And Pietta still makes a version it.

I once shipped a Traditions O/U double rifle inline muzzle loader to another country and the customs officials there thought that it resembled a center fire gun closely enough to call the police who greeted the receiver at the customs facility for an explanation.
The inexperience of the customs officials led them to unnecessarily set off an alarm.

Corporate owners are more concerned about safety information and potential liability than most customers will ever be.
One can only imagine the potential for harm and the potential for lawsuits that are expensive to defend against.
Maybe the large Pietta billboards actually work to help prevent both.

But just like with the blaze orange muzzles or barrel plugs of new toy guns that are required by Federal law, if someone wants to remove the orange tip after purchase then they can.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

....i wonder if more people are likely to put regular nitro powder into their guns than a pietta considering uberti somewhat covers their warnings. The pietta warnings dont bother me...i dont even really notice or care...but i think pietta could still get away with any legal issues of gun misuse if they were more discrete like uberti. Considering that if legal liability issues were that much of a problem then Uberti would have changed their placement of the warnings ASAP. Atleast thats my logic. But it really doesnt bother me so ive never really thought about it. I think pietta does it just as a preference. But who knows? Only pietta.

 

[arcticap]

Maybe the power of the billboard warning is subliminal, and it influences a person subconsciously.
The more a person sees it, the more ingrained it becomes into their subconscious, until they're less likely to act to disobey the warning.
I think that there could be people who could be influenced by such a warning just like peer pressure can influence someone's decision to perform an action or not.
If something is repeated often enough, then people are more likely to believe it, or at least not forget it.

subconscious - of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.