Recommendations on SW442/642 or Taurus 85UL

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Hello All,

Wanted to get some inputs for a female carrying a CCW using either an SW-442/642 or the Taurus 85-UL?

Both guns weigh approx 15-16ozs each, SW is hammer less and Taurus is shrouded hammer? Thanks for your input.
 
I own both of these Rov.s &have used them for CC.They are good Rov.s. ,but the 85UL is the only Taurus I own. Taurus WILL NOT fix you're gun even with warranty! There are way to many horror storys about them! I have had to deal with them & will not buy from them again! S&W will fix you're gun if it has any problem! I own about 9 S&W Hand guns &havenot had to send any back! I am not saying that all S&W guns work NIB &TAURUS guns are broke & need work! But Taurus will not fix their guns & S&W will! Please do your self a favor and go with S&W. They also have more models than Taurus! No I don't work for them! I am just an old shooter that hates to see new shooters get ripped off! Good luck, Have fun, & Be careful!
 
I have the Taurus and haven't had any problems yet, but I still wish I would have spent a few bucks more and gotten the Smith...
 
I went with the 442 over all the other snub nosed competition and I've been pretty happy with my purchase. Its been great so far, nice smooth trigger especially after some dry firing with snap caps, a bit of a kick with more powerful loads but what do you expect with such a small/light gun?
 
442. I'm a big believer in black guns over shiny ones unless you're not in a state that requires they remain concealed.
 
I own both of these Rov.s &have used them for CC.They are good Rov.s. ,but the 85UL is the only Taurus I own. Taurus WILL NOT fix you're gun even with warranty! There are way to many horror storys about them! I have had to deal with them & will not buy from them again! S&W will fix you're gun if it has any problem! I own about 9 S&W Hand guns &havenot had to send any back! I am not saying that all S&W guns work NIB &TAURUS guns are broke & need work! But Taurus will not fix their guns & S&W will! Please do your self a favor and go with S&W. They also have more models than Taurus! No I don't work for them! I am just an old shooter that hates to see new shooters get ripped off! Good luck, Have fun, & Be careful!
Thank you 2wheels, made it to the gun show here in Orlando and compared both the SW442/642 vs. the Taurus 85UL, and maybe it was me and my old sight--but the SW felt more solid, the metal used on the Taurus didn't look/feel as good as the SW. Thanks again for the input.

Speaking of getting ripped off, or at least them trying. Always dislike it when the dealers at these shows try and play you by offering you a so-called discounted price on their guns under the MSRP when it's actually way above MSRP, then giving you a discount which is truly MSRP. They talk to you like you're a dummy and have no access to the Internet instantly to check the Manufacturers MSRP, and these dealers competition. a BIG dealer here in Florida is notorious for doing this, they call it "Market Price." They need to get a grip, we are no longer in the old west driving stage coaches pulled by horses, geez!
 
442. I'm a big believer in black guns over shiny ones unless you're not in a state that requires they remain concealed.
Yes, we are here in Florida, and have conceal carry--but there isn't as color preference which I'm aware of, thank you
 
Glad to see you go with S&W.I believe you will be very happy with it. I try to use loads made for the sm. frame rov.s. I try to keep some FED. NYCLAD rounds on hand. I used upside down HBWC.s when I can reload.They say you can use high power loads in the newer guns but I still believe they will last longer only useing the hevey loads for when you really need them! It's you're gun treat it good and it will do the same for you!
 
Glad to see you go with S&W.I believe you will be very happy with it. I try to use loads made for the sm. frame rov.s. I try to keep some FED. NYCLAD rounds on hand. I used upside down HBWC.s when I can reload.They say you can use high power loads in the newer guns but I still believe they will last longer only useing the hevey loads for when you really need them! It's you're gun treat it good and it will do the same for you!
thank you Krupparms, would this be OK to use re-load, I've noticed the manufacturers always state NOT to use re-loads as this may stress the metal on the guns, correct? thanks
 
all gun makers say don't use reloads. It's a cover your butt statement from the mfg. Who knows what a nincompoop might load up and use in a gun?
 
Have your girl shoot both and let her choose... This will save you trouble (and $$$) down the road.

A sub 15oz .38 special is a HANDFUL for even most men!!!! Unless she practices A LOT, its not a great gun for a new shooter - you may want to go for an all-steel gun to soak up the recoil, like a S&W 640 or a larger Ruger SP101...

Or maybe go the .380 route and go for an LCP - much more tolerable for a new shooter, but still requires practice.

I learned the hard way and bought a 642 for my wife - she shot it once and refused to shoot it again... I kept it for myself and need to shoot it weekly to be accurate over 15 feet...

Bottom line - let her shoot a bunch of different models and let her choose what works for her.

442. I'm a big believer in black guns over shiny ones unless you're not in a state that requires they remain concealed.
As far as the color and difference in the 642 and 442 - it just isnt finish color that is different:

642 has stainless steel barrel.

442 has carbon steel barrel.

Since the OP is in FL with humid conditions, you may want to go for the 642...

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Have your girl shoot both and let her choose... This will save you trouble (and $$$) down the road.

A sub 15oz .38 special is a HANDFUL for even most men!!!! Unless she practices A LOT, its not a great gun for a new shooter - you may want to go for an all-steel gun to soak up the recoil, like a S&W 640 or a larger Ruger SP101...

Or maybe go the .380 route and go for an LCP - much more tolerable for a new shooter, but still requires practice.

I learned the hard way and bought a 642 for my wife - she shot it once and refused to shoot it again... I kept it for myself and need to shoot it weekly to be accurate over 15 feet...

Bottom line - let her shoot a bunch of different models and let her choose what works for her.


As far as the color and difference in the 642 and 442 - it just isnt finish color that is different:

642 has stainless steel barrel.

442 has carbon steel barrel.

Since the OP is in FL with humid conditions, you may want to go for the 642...

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Thanks Trailwolf, that's exactly what my relative said. Ill take my lady to the range this week- rent some guns and see what she likes.
 
Is it just me or does this belong in Revolvers and not here?

Both guns will serve well, but any gun for a women means it is her choice and no one elses.

The fly weight guns make little sense for a beginner or for someone who is recoil sensitive. If it has to be a snub revolver then it should be something in the S&W or Taurus steel framed class or something similar.

I notice the big difference firing theTaurus 85CH, the heavy frame Taurus 856, and the Taurus Magnesium Lyte 856. Big difference!!

Recoil is much more pronunced in the Lyte 856. Can't use +P in it. All Taurus snub revolvers, with the exception of the mentioned 856 Lyte model, are +P approved.

No reason that the similar non-flyweight S&W snubs should not be considered.

http://corneredcat.com

This is a great site for women mainly, but men can learn a lot there as well.

Picking a gun for the female is gone over thoroughly. It might behoove someone to go through the recommendations there.

If need be the female contingent might want to take a accredited www.nra.org or www.nssf.com basic firearms course. Or one for women only.

Then she is better able to make an informed decision what is right for her needs and wants. That includes which handgun/caliber combo she can shoot well.

She just might decide a pistol or a revolver is called for.

There's also www.babesandbullets.com and www.womenandguns.com to look at,too.
 
there isn't as color preference which I'm aware of

Let me clarify. Black just conceals better. And even when the gun does flash because of the wind or something pulling your covering garment out of the way, the black of the finish is very ambiguous and doesn't scream "gun."

OTOH, as mentioned, stainless has its advantages in a climate like Florida's.
 
You are quite welcome for the information. That is why I use THR, I believe that people that can help, should! The THR has people with alot of experience & knowledge. The S.S. is a better choice in FL. But carbon steel works it just needs more attention! I also agree that the person that will be useing the gun should try different loads & find out which work for them. Shooting reloads will invaladate the warranty. But unless it was a reload that caused the problem they will probably not know. Unless you tell them you have been shooting them &it led to problem. I am not saying to lie about it. Useing lite reloads should not cause a problem that affects the warranty. Do Not shoot hevey reloads! They will be able to know! There are plenty of factory loads to pick from & I am sure you can find what you need. Good luck, have fun, Be safe! With the right loads I am sure you will have a good friend for years to come!
 
i had both the 642 and the Taurus 85UL, which doesn't have a shrouded hammer, by the way. both were nice guns, but i only regret selling the 642.

if this gun is going to be for a new shooter, i don't recommend them. they are lightweight, so recoil is snappier than with larger, heavier guns, and it's harder to wring out any acceptable accuracy with them without lots and lots of practice. they have a steeper learning curve. i never got why people recommend them to women for a first gun. i'd recommend a Glock 17 or 19, personally.
 
This should be in the revolver board. I have a M85SSUL and have fired several 642s. My 85 has the best out of the box trigger on any DA revolver I've ever felt. It's miles better than any J frame Smith I've ever fired, dry or otherwise. It's 3" at 25 yards accurate. I don't see how it gets any better. I've had it since '96. It's a good primary pocket gun, though it does have the exposed hammer. I have no problems with that catching, though, and prefer it to concealed hammers like on the 642. Either one is a good choice for carry, but just reporting on my 85, is a real gem. Wouldn't trade it for 5 642s, or lets say, if I did, it'd be purely for economic reasons. :D

Now, I prefer my ultralite for pocket carry. It is a primary or sometimes rides there as a back up to a Taurus 3" 66 .357 magnum on the belt. It does have some snap to it, though, even with non-+P, so if you get an alloy framed .38, be prepared for that. These guns, the Smith and the Taurus, are offered in all steel which go around 23 ounces, a lot easier to shoot. I'm quite used to it, though, and shoot it rather well. I carry 158 +P in it.

BTW, I'll always and forever recommend a revolver as a first gun for a beginner over an auto. It's an easier gun to learn on, safety built into its design. Glocks are real easy to shoot your leg off with. Lots of cops have given themselves Glock leg, not just football players in New York. :rolleyes: There's a famous vid of a DEA agent on youtube that everyone's seen. :D
 
This should be in the revolver board. I have a M85SSUL and have fired several 642s. My 85 has the best out of the box trigger on any DA revolver I've ever felt. It's miles better than any J frame Smith I've ever fired, dry or otherwise. It's 3" at 25 yards accurate. I don't see how it gets any better. I've had it since '96. It's a good primary pocket gun, though it does have the exposed hammer. I have no problems with that catching, though, and prefer it to concealed hammers like on the 642. Either one is a good choice for carry, but just reporting on my 85, is a real gem. Wouldn't trade it for 5 642s, or lets say, if I did, it'd be purely for economic reasons. :D

Now, I prefer my ultralite for pocket carry. It is a primary or sometimes rides there as a back up to a Taurus 3" 66 .357 magnum on the belt. It does have some snap to it, though, even with non-+P, so if you get an alloy framed .38, be prepared for that. These guns, the Smith and the Taurus, are offered in all steel which go around 23 ounces, a lot easier to shoot. I'm quite used to it, though, and shoot it rather well. I carry 158 +P in it.

BTW, I'll always and forever recommend a revolver as a first gun for a beginner over an auto. It's an easier gun to learn on, safety built into its design. Glocks are real easy to shoot your leg off with. Lots of cops have given themselves Glock leg, not just football players in New York. :rolleyes: There's a famous vid of a DEA agent on youtube that everyone's seen. :D
Thank you mcgunner
 
i had both the 642 and the Taurus 85UL, which doesn't have a shrouded hammer, by the way. both were nice guns, but i only regret selling the 642.

if this gun is going to be for a new shooter, i don't recommend them. they are lightweight, so recoil is snappier than with larger, heavier guns, and it's harder to wring out any acceptable accuracy with them without lots and lots of practice. they have a steeper learning curve. i never got why people recommend them to women for a first gun. i'd recommend a Glock 17 or 19, personally.
Thanks jahwarrior, I looked at the Glocks at the last gun show, and they are a bit heavy at 20+ ozs, my lady is small at 5', petite. Not saying that she'll want something TOO Light, but a bit lighter, thanks
 
If you're picking between the two, S&W. But please heed the advice of the previous posts about ultralight revolvers. IMHO, far too many novice shooters (new to concealed carry) are steered toward popular, very small, very light revolvers. Those features that seem so rational at the LGS are the VERY same features that frighten, shock & pain the shooter right out of practicing, gaining experience & becoming a experienced, competent handgunner. Merely having a gun WON'T save your life. Only HITS count.
 
I have a 442 and a 649-3 .357 and have shot a variety of .38 ammo in both guns. The extra weight of the 23 ounce semi-shrouded-hammer 649 makes a lot of difference when it comes to recoil. It's more weight to haul around of course, but it's an option.

John
 
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