Recourse in FFL transfer

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I re-read the various posts. At this point, I would plead mercy an apologize for my ignorance of proper precedures and hope they transfer the gun to you. You do know you have to complete a Form 4473 at the FFL dealer and get approved via the NICS check, right?

You don't have much leverage on this deal... Buds has your money and the dealer has your gun... lovely.
 
bud's website says specifically that you do not need to contact the dealer ahead of time. Remember I am complete newbie to this. Bud's is a leading online dealer, so I perhaps foolishly assumed that if they say it on their website it must be true. See here

I have called this shop twice and gave them my info and they said they will call when it is ready, called first on tuesday, then on thursday, and still no call.

So my plan for tomorrow is to head there early and try to get in before they get busy. I tried going today, but it was so crowded I couldn't get in the front door.

Plus just for fun, their transfer is twice the going rate.

Thanks to all for their input!
 
Um, mike - it says "You don't need to contact a preferred dealer" - meaning, you don't have to go through a FFL on their list of preferred dealers. You can choose any FFL you wish.

Also, right underneath that, in HUGE letters, is the following:

Please Verify that the FFL dealer is still in operation before you choose them. Please contact them before notifying us of your choice.

Emphasis on the underlined bit. You must contact the receiving FFL before arranging a shipment to them from any dealer, including Bud's.
 
Emphasis on the underlined bit. You must contact the receiving FFL before arranging a shipment to them from any dealer, including Bud's.
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BUT BUT BUT, nalioth said I could use anybodys FFL I wanted to :banghead:
 
You must contact the receiving FFL before arranging a shipment to them from any dealer, including Bud's.
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No law requires a heads-up to the receiving dealer. Their own policies might, though. We ask our customers to give us a heads up, but don't get all PO'ed when something arrives unexpectedly. If we did we'd stroke out in a month.
 
I go to the dealr first"can I do an FFL transfer on a blah bluh firearm from goodys sales?"
Gun dealer says"sure you can"
I contact the dealer once I put the order through, that way they know it's on it's way and who it's for. Then I just wait for the phone call telling me my new howitzer has arrived.
Or in the process of all this, the dealer has one, or can order it for me and maybe save a couple of bucks. Or it may cost a couple of bucks more, he has to eat too.
Always check with the dealer first on every FFL transfer!
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No law requires a heads-up to the receiving dealer. Their own policies might, though. We ask our customers to give us a heads up, but don't get all PO'ed when something arrives unexpectedly. If we did we'd stroke out in a month.
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Since the shipper needs a copy of the receiving FFL on file BEFORE they ship, if your FFL is not a current customer of the company you bought the gun from, how did it get shipped in the first place?

If they are a current customer, then what is the hold up for, uinless there is a background check issue
 
No law requires a heads-up to the receiving dealer. Their own policies might, though. We ask our customers to give us a heads up, but don't get all PO'ed when something arrives unexpectedly. If we did we'd stroke out in a month.
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Fair enough. But to interpret that there is no need to notify a receiving FFL based on that line of text, when it's quite clearly contradicted in much clearer language directly underneath, is foolish. The OP might be new at this whole thing and it can be overwhelming, but that's all the more reason to read carefully and double-check before beginning a transaction.
 
No argument there! Actually I'm wondering how a newbie to the gun world found Bud's in the first place, as most buyers just go to their LGS and buy their first gun there. It's only later that they discover they can buy online, usually for much less...
 
i don't suppose you guys will believe me when I saw that line was NOT there when I ordered the gun.

anyway, what do i do know, am out the $800 I paid for this gun? I don't see how these guys can legally be allowed to do this.
 
No, you're not out the money. They're not holding your gun indefinitely. Play nice with the FFL, wait the few days then take home your gun and never do business with them again. It might not be what you want to do, but consider it a lesson learned.
 
There is a legal term call "Unjust enrichment" even in contracts, where the contract says otherwise, typically if one party unjustly benifits, it still may be illegal.

You may try a letter from a lawer, or lean on the ATF if they think they are just going to keep it. Now this may cost you as much or more.....my guess is they will stop the games when the get a letter. The BBB and a lot of other folks would like to know about this too. there is a lot you can do, if your determined. (Just make sure your right, first).
 
Keep in mind that the FFL may just be incredibly busy - the OP himself said that he went today and couldn't even get in the door. If they're doing a lot of business, it's possible that they haven't had a chance to log it in yet. Also keep in mind that this gun essentially showed up on their doorstep unannounced - they may be taking their sweet time just because it caught them off guard and added to their already busy schedule.

The fact that their transfer rate is twice the going rate is something that the OP should have researched beforehand, and shouldn't be held against the shop. I can understand being a newbie, but the old saying "buyer beware" is there for a reason.

I would suggest that the OP visit the shop tomorrow, explain that he's new and possibly didn't fully understand the whole process, and see what can be done about getting his gun transferred to him as soon as possible. All this talk about lawyers and the ATF is just nuts, IMHO.
 
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If they're doing a lot of business, it's possible that they haven't had a chance to log it in yet.
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Larry was late to work, so he felt it was alright for him to violate the speed limit to get there.

A FFL holder has 24h to log in inbound firearms. As I said earlier, something smells "fishy" from what the OP reports being told.
 
I don't believe you are out $800. The receiving FFL will either eventually resolve whatever issues they are having with you and transfer the gun to you, or they will have to return the gun to the sender (because legally I think they can only hold the gun for a certain length of time) in which case you should either get a refund (minus shipping ?) or Bud's can re-send your gun to another FFL you select.
 
Calm down guy, If these situations ended up with anyone losing any money or a gun, i highly doubt anyone would buy online from Buds. I would call buds and explain the situation to them, and sit back and let the FFL figure out there side. A few days is not going to mean anything once you get the pistol. Yes, its not great, but patience almost always pays off.
 
Also keep in mind that this gun essentially showed up on their doorstep unannounced - they may be taking their sweet time just because it caught them off guard and added to their already busy schedule.
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The thought occurred to me that the dealer might have just said.... oh great, free gun when it arrived without them ordering it or no advance knowledge of its being shipped. If I receive something at my door that I didn't order, I am under no obligation to return it or pay for it.

Honestly, I think the dealer probably called Buds after they opened the package to see what the deal was. The receiving dealer is probably taking their sweet time with the whole process. Call it... paying penance for not following proceedures. I think the dealer will either send it back or transfer it to you. This can't be the first time something like this happened. That is especially true from Bud's end.
 
I am just trying to figure out exactly WHAT does the receiving FFL have to do to get the gun "ready for transfer"? Why would that take a week? I'll bet if the OP walked into the store and wanted to buy a gun out of their display case it would not take them a week to get the gun "ready for transfer."
 
Also keep in mind that this gun essentially showed up on their doorstep unannounced - they may be taking their sweet time just because it caught them off guard and added to their already busy schedule.
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Yes how dare the op allow them to make money for opening a box and filling out paperwork! I wouldn't darken their doorstep again after you get that gun.
 
Well folks, I visited the shop this am and showed profuse contrition for my sins and everyone was very nice about it and they were nice enough to actually transfer my firearm to me.

Thanks again to everyone!
 
A gun shop in/near Manassas that offers memberships? That's a new one on me.
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I believe it is a gun range with a shop attached according to the OP.

Glad things finally worked out and you got your gun.
 
Mike, glad you got it all squared away and hope you will use this experience as a lesson for future purchases

( because legally I think they can only hold the gun for a certain length of time)
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What makes you think that??

Once I log a gun in, it stays on my books till I:

1) sell it
2) transfer it
3) return it to the legal owner
4) add it to my personal collection

And I leave em on my books as long as I can before transfering them to my personal collection to delay paying sales tax on em!!!
 
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What makes you think that??
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That's what my FFL told me once. But it may have been the time when the seller, a non-FFL, had not sent enough identification information for my FFL to log the gun in. Either that or he was just "threatening" the seller that he would have to send the gun back unless he got more identification. I guess that is why some FFLs won't accept shipments from non-FFLs - sometimes a little more hassle.

Is there a time limit that an FFL has to log the gun in before he has to send the gun back?
 
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